Your2ndPlace

I still do not agree that you have a right to call upon someone demanding them to be at your "court"

The first IM when you were making it to me, I was getting the IM from this person( someone saying to be your friend) at the side "threatening" that If i dont do as you, sarah nerd do ask me to do I will be posted in the web blogs by you. And you ,at your friend's side, was IMing me at the same time asking me to get Tried by your group officers.

And what you were asking me first in your first IM to me( when you Imed me first time as a stranger out of the wide bushy forest) that " I am gonna get judged by your officers in "your group" and they gonna determine and judge about my conduct onto these people and etc" didnt hit me right or pleasant.
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So a stanger Imed me first time demanding me the story of what has happened calling me a theief asking me to be present in their "sl court" to get judged".

Yeah, I was getting Unnerved and annoyed by that. As I do not think I did things wrong out of my right and rules set forward to them( I even sent the notecard with the rules of lists to that tenant of the issue, before the rent began, not to mention I asked her 3 or more times so, to check the convenant and make sure all of her group members read it too). And this stranger( aka sarah nerd) were hitting me with IM's demanding the explanations asking me to be present in "her sl court"

They read my sim rental policy and my convenants before they signed up for the rent and even again During the rent period.( At least I did my best to make sure they do, I asked them to read it, adn they said they did)
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And I was giving the tenant warnings more than 5 times about her and her group members' convenant and rental agreement breakings and each time afterward I was giving her the chances and time to rectify the breaches of the agreement or convenant situations.
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From a day to 10 hrs or to half a day or so each times.
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I do not come to play the game sl, to dig for the stupid dramas here, I come to sl for fun and enjoyment, and I do believe if I have a want and wish to be respected to have fun with no troubles, others deserve the same.

I knew when she moved in with such big group of people, if I got them all pissed off at me by booting them out, they might try to create the mess against me and big drama.

But when the tenant was being on the path of constant breakings of the convenants and agreements, and were stubbornly ignoring the Ims from me with warnings, I saw no other resolution but booting her out along with her group members, if she replied to any of my IM and said she would try to fix it, I would just have given her time to fix it or let her stay at my sim.

But when the route of communication to make things work for the rentor and landlord relation as she was determindedly snobbing my attempts off Blocked, I was not seeing any other way but terminating the rental contract. And I think that I not offering them the refund, was not an unjust thing, as they "chose" themselves not to get refunded and lose the rental period by going against what they have been informed about-" in case of breach of the convenats, estate owner gets the right to reclaim the land with no refund" and Ignored the Warnings.

As others who replied to this thread have pointed out, PI sims are zoned sims and set communities with some rules and restrictions, I see it as a regulated and planned community. People choose the different landscape and style themed sims for the raeson, and they have certain expectations to be kept equally for everyone living there. And since its the mixed community with multiple number of tenants, the rules and respects gotta be observed for the common good for everyone, in my opinion.

And this tenant of the issue, moved into my sim under the premise that she and her group member of friends or whatever gonna get to use the half sim land on my sim only,

As I did Not Give them the right to use the entire sim, when I was seeing her group members creating objects or pushing off other people dropping by to buy land or rent on the other half sim unrented by them and open for others.

I even saw a few times, her security guys pushing people off and bullying them off, and they were pushing me and my friends off also.

These another breakings of a clause that I stated in my convenant. " not littering of the objects on the land that you have no right to use." , " No bullying or no abusive behavior toward others."

Whether you belive or not, I try to be fair and more than nice to people who come into my way and to my tenants and rentors but only when they don't act badly to others or mean ways.( but of course I realize the definition of " nice" is a subjective standard of each one of us own.)

I build and landscape and design my sims with love and responsibility toward the tenants, and I wish that the people living on my lands to enjoy their lands with fun and pleasantness and no lag. The current tenants on my 3 sims they often say to me, how they like my sims or lands, one tenant often helps me with finding the new tenants also, and we talk in IMS daily basis about everything, and when she moved in first time, we didnt know each other, and my tenants at my first sim, I listen to what they say even Asking for their opinions on the new perspective tenants if they would like such and such styles of tenants with certain building plans and styles. And whether you believe or not, I do and did my best to help my tenants and rentors for their days and night spent on my sim or in SL, in general as a sim owner and a person who happened to have joined earlier than them to. I spend from 5 hrs to a week to help the new tenants out each time,

I have helped them with shopping for skins, houses, land decoration items, and how to build, and placing out the objects, changing the locations of objects, how to set the land url, how to set the TV, and how to make make the menus on SL client window appear, and etc from specific question to general questions that would be classified as SL FAQ style questions. And last time, they hold parties at my sims so often and sometimes they ask me to join at their parties too. I do not push around the people nor bully them around just cos I own the sims, I know what their rights are, and I help them to the extent I can.

BUt when I see they do not deserve that traetment of kindness, I don't keep giving them things.

I try to respect what my tenants want for the sim they are living at my best. For that reason also,( since you seem to be liking to enjoy on attacking why some of my lands are empty), I interview the perspective tenants and rentors before accepting them and letting them to buy or rent the land from me. Keeping the sim lands unoccupied and empty cost me money since the tier charge from LL( 295 usd a month per sim).
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If i was so hasty and greedy about making money using my lands, I would just let anyone move into my sims and wouldnt care if they cause the tension or stress to the existing tenants or not.

And about you, nerd, repeatedly pointing out, that why I should keep it a big secret about "people that I am helping with the free land use right from me, and the money I refunded them, for the money they lost cos of my former tenant who wrongfully sold the land use right to them when they were not supposed to" I don't feel comfortable about "publishing" their names to you, 'cos I know then you will publish it in the web( seeing how big mouthed person you are with such a haste).

And as I myself do not enjoy to get dragged into the "drama" so I think they would not like it so much too, and if I give you their names, I think it might go like, that I am passing you the bottle of oil so you can make a bigger Bonfire of SL Drama.

I was feeling very upset, about you calling me upon to your SL court and demanding me what to do, as if you have a Right to judge someone and Try someone. and I was getting unnerved that you publishing someone's name with no in and out and around investigation and checking of the facts,

ANd yeah, I see the serious damage on my reputation and my business, since you did this "favor" for me.

But I still do not want to yeild into some people who trying to gain what they want from the bullyings.

The invalid e check tenant was trying to manace me by moving in with 30 to 40 something members of her group while she did not pay me yet, and she was not paying me still for days After she moved in and was changing the terms of agreements on her own saying, she gonna pay the rent fee at the end of the each week in whatever amount of money she gonna get about by then. And she was getting onto breaking of the rules from the beginning of the rental period with so many members of her group, and each of them was calling me about so often asking me to do this and that, calling me like I was their servant at their service. Yes, it was unnerving me-

That she was changing the terms on her own about the payment and decieved me about her paying via paypal( I was Offering you, sarah nerd, several times from the beginning, that I can give you the screenshot of the paypal page, showing her payment never went through to reach to my account, but you were not wanting to see it. While you were publishing their paypal page saying they Initiated the payment via e check. to make it Visual on your first post about me with my name on it. to look like I got paid by them in such and such sums and I just took the money adn decieptly kicked them out with a plan from day 1).

And I did not kick them out right after one of this rentor's group members who also was using my land with her paid me the late rent fee in linden. After I got paid by that pers, I sent her the IM saying, "this such and such person paid the rent on your behalf belatedly, so you do not have to pay the rent to me again, and I want you to cancel the paypal payment."

And the woman Imed me back in angry tone, saying" since now you got paid, I want you to do this and that and that". She was not feeling sorry, about that she wasnt paying the rent to me In time and about she tried to fool me with invalid e check payment initiation( I say it was an invalid e check payment initiation 'cos, after days passed since she moved in with no rent paid, she amdmitted that she got no money in any of her accounts to cover that e chck she initiated, "Adding" that she has paid people this way many times before, and it always worked.)

From this her saying, and what she was doing with a plan of trying to pay the rent at the end of each week in whatver sum she could get( according to her word) when she promised on the upfront pay of the rent Before moving into my sim.

and she saying, she been paying people with e check paypal initation while she got no money to back it up.

Were saying me two things,

that she is trying to fool me about the payment and attempting to use my sim for free of charge if she could get by with that scheme, in deceiptful way.

And that she showing the anger and the resentment toward me when she learnt the news that I finally got paid, the late rent fee by another member of her group as if she thinks I should have gotten paid instead in small sum of money at the end of each weeks didnt strike me her as a person to be someone with honest mind.

if I were her in tht situation, I would have felt very sorry and awkward that I didn't get to commit to the agreement on payment and the promise of the payment in time. And her attitude and sayings were not making me have a portrait of someone with a right sense of the honesty in her mind.

So, I see in my standard, there was one big braech on the honoring the agreement and rental contract there. The lies about the payment, and the lies about when the payment was made...

She was claiming she paid before she moved in using the paypal and she was going on with that claim, talking as if I was lying about recieving the money via paypal, till I asked her to send me the email with the paypal screenshot showing the money gotten paid.

I was wanting to think the person was telling me the truth and I was wanting to think it was a paypal bug or their service not working properly, so I was letting her move in when I didnt see the payment made and reached to my account first On her saying or claimings that she sent me the money.

And I let her along with her 30 or 40 something group members stay in my sim several days while I still ddint see the payment made and raeched to my account, cos I ddint want to go aggressive on asking them to move out, while they were looking to be happy to live and use my sim land there.

And 3 days passed, and I was checking with other sim owners and people and friends who use paypal frequently, and I laernt about what e check initiation is, and waht kind of payment option is there to pay someone via paypal, and I laernt it looked like she intentionally chose to pay me via e check initation instead of the direct payment using the paypal " money send" button. So I flew to that sim, adn I ran into her group memberss bullying people around with their scripted gadgest and foul languages.and One of them was pushing me around too...

Ya, I was not in the good mood to see them bullying my perspective tenants and land buyers checking on my the other half sim land...

and to see them Bullying me also,not knowing I was the sim owner. SO I told them that I should terminate the rent as she didnt pay me the rent and ddint honor her words on the payment but she was keep making lies about it. And one of them came forward, and sent me the rent fee in linden asking if they could have another chance, and that they gonna make sure everyone in their groups behave and no breakings of the convenant gonna happen again. I didnt feel so good about letting them stay in my sim, still. but they were keep pleading to me, so I got weak hearted, So I said they could stay, but if they break teh convenant again or I see one of them acting rude or bullying to others, they will lose the rent on my land. And Again, I asked them to check the convenant.

So I was letting them to stay again changing my plan of terminating the rent contract with that woman based on NO rent payment made for the first month rent payment clause in the rental contract and based on the clause in the convenant-" No littering of objects or use of the lands on the land that the tenant do not have the right to use" and based on this clause on the convenant," No bullying or abusive behaviors to others in the sim".

" But I was not meaning that by me letting them stay and giving them one more chance, that I would tolerate them or let them go around NO Matter how they act or what they do on my sim, I Made it Clear again with them upon recieving the late rent payment, that if they go against my convenant, they lose the land with no refund."

And next day, since the half sim is empty there. I flew in and I was checking around, ANd I saw my half sim land that were rented by them got parceled up and sold to others. I imed the woman( the one who signed a rental contract with me) and asked her about it for the explanation but she was not replying, I gave her 5 hrs or so to reply but no reply while i was seeing her logging on and stayed online for hrs., And I wrote the IM again and sent her the warning stating, if no explanation is offered and if that situation doesnt get fixed, I will reclaim the land, and I waited again for 6 hrs or so, and I was seeing her logging in twice and I confirmed with one of her subleasees that she logged on and talked to her and talked to others, so I knew then, she was deliberately Ignoring my ims and warnings. And I sent her another IM and warning and waited for one more day and I reclaimed the land.

And I gave her the explanation on why I did that. And I replied to everyone of her group members asking me what happened. I told them why and why and based on which and which I booted them out and I told them they could come and pick up their stuffs from my sim before leaving.

And I talked with one of the girls who paid My former tenant the money..to buy the right to use my land and suggested her That I would let her keep stay on my sim as I felt sorry that she just moved into the land and built things there, and now got into the situation that she gotta pack up and leave again. I was wanting to help ones who were looking to be the victims of the unfortunate incidence, I felt bad about all the situations and for them.

I began my sl days first time from renting a small land from someone, One landlord cheated out on me, and I still remember his name and I see his name around popping around. and the next landlord fooled me into paying higher than the ordinary rent, and this third landlord was so honest and fair to me. And I am still keeping a contact with him and I talk to him often times, and at every given chance, I pass around the good words about him calling him a very fair and honest and straight forward person. And I admire him for that.

yah, SO i understand how it is like renting the lands from others.

This subleasee didnt end up staying in the same sim, but I offered her to stay at my 4096sm land in another sim, and I offered her to give the refund myself for the money she paid to my former rentor and she turned it down, so I told her she could use my land fro another month for free.

And days passed, I asked her if she and others got the refund from my former rentor, she told me " former rentor" yelled at her saying No. So i was thinking maybe I should refund them.

And I refunded them the money that they paid to that woman, cos in my definition of fairness and justice, these subleasees are the victims of this situation since they didnt break the rental contract, and they didnt break any formally stated rules by their landlord.
And I didnt see why I had to refund my former tenant, unlike these people. cos She was actively breaking the promise on the honoring of the rent payment and lied about it ongoing fashion.
and was breaking many clauses stated in the rental contracts or convenant repeatedly..and when she had chances to talk to the landlord about it she Snobbed off the attempts from the landlord to discuss about the situation.

She was having many chances to reply to me and say she gonna try to fix it, If she ever replied to any of my ims, I would not have booted them out at all.

And some people cast the doubt on this, about why I let this woman moved in while I didnt see her payment reached to my account beforehand, before I let move in.

I have helped several people regarding the land dealings and sim purchases.

And I can give their names( if they give me the permission).

One guy I was helping with, spending days of my time talking with concierge dept lindens trying to help him.

He was trying to sell his PI sim with full transfer of ownership, adn he got the word from the buyer, that he gonna pay triple of the money than he would ordinary get for the purchase of the sim. And he sent the payment to him via paypal and they both submitted tickets asking for the sim transfer to Linden, and 3 days passed and the sim gotten transferred to the new owner, adn new owner guy just Pulled out his payment from the sim seller. So the guy fell into the situation that he lost the sim and the money.

He was so upset, and his gf was so upset. And I was talking to them both in messenger and in sl, for days, and I was talking to lindens trying to see if lindens could stop the sim transfer(ok, you can check about this with GUy Linden, Guy linden was on this case at that time and was talking to us trying to stop the sim transfer).

He was the one on the case at that time trying to help us.

Ok, so I saw a bad thing happening to someone who I think not to be dishonest or bad . with the paypal payment.

And maybe with this woman, the ex rentor's case, it was abit different from that, But I saw something bad, big time, happening to this sim seller with the use of the paypal, and I was haering occasionally paypal system got glitches.

And this ex rentor was showing to be not to be a bad person at first, so I was assuming ( maybe too hastly) maybe she was another victim of the paypal system glitch..that maybe she actually sent me the money via paypal but it was not reaching me ..adn it was not her fault.

it was why I just was letting her move in with no payment made and showing in my account, first.

And about WHy I was so dumb to Enable the "Sale" button IN EState setting.

Don't we know all, that Often times or sometimes SL client gets the system glitch and bugs?

Or maybe as some of the sim owners from the sl mentor group saying maybe some new hackign tool got into it and enabled the "sale" button? on my sim.

I remember vividly that I didnt check on "sale" button on the estate setting myself, and after checking on the estate setting I always double check before clicking on the "APPly" button.

And the estate setting of my sims getting changed when or my estate managers didnt do it have happened twice Only.

And first time was when this griefer was in my sim, and the second time was while this ex rentor of mine and her group memebers were residing in my sim.

It could been some hacking program that enabled someone with no given permission to have an access to the estate setting change, or it could been the System glitch from SL.

And I dont know which would been the case, And with no proofs clear,

I am not running into the conclusion to accuse any one of those, as the reasons of why my sim estate setting was changing.

'Cos I believe hasty assumptions and conclusions and accusations tend to have chances of containing the errors and mistakes and incorrectness.

And Unlike your friends in the mainland dealing market, who try to persuade the passer-byers checking to buy the lands in the mainladn sims trying to force the fake informations on the land market and the daily pricing rates, I do not speak or spread the false informations to the ppl who coming to me to sell or buy the lands.

Maybe you should check on what they are doign too, and call them upon to your sl court as well? and Investigate on their land sale tactics?

But then again, Mind you, I don't think any sl resident Summoning another sl resident for Her sl court presence is right.

And I do not think you tried to be Fair or Neutral when you Beginning this Post with my namd in the title for your blog post.

If you were to cover this story reflecting and containsing the stories from two different viewponts or two different parties on each side, to keep the fair viewpoint as a blog writer and bloh owner,

Why did you have to choose One specific person's name as a Headliner or the title?

And why did you have to take out some of the things I said in Im's and some of the things that You said in IM's

To me, it more looks like,

You Were trying to call Upon someone on your sl court trial, the person you think to be "no one" and weak and with no much power,
adn the person refused to comply to your commands,
and you went on Posting about her On the websites and sl blogs, With her name as a Big title line..

Fully Intending to defame her and bring down and ruin her reputation.

So this landlord, Me, I refused to give the refund cos the tenants Ignored my and disrespected the rental agreement or rental contract they made with me. And After I gave them warnings and days of time to fix it they did not.

BUt I went forward and compensated the people they took the money from Unjust way Using My land. and Offered these People My land myself.

And you Post my name as a Greedy landlord Who scam to rip off the Innocent rentors adn kick them out In your blog and website.

If you are so passionate and eager not to be able to have some cool moments of thinkings even to check around the facts with more objective and reasonable sense.

I want to ask you,

Have you not heard about some of the biggest sim owning groups, who Make lies to the newbies to SL With money about their sims are created by their group but not by linden lab and sell the sims alot more expensive, and then doesnt give them the full ownership? and later when they want to laeve take the sims back at 1/3 price they originally paid ?

( I think considering your long history in the mainland dealing market, you are very aware of how they make money out of the sl land business,
And when i asked you about this you were replying with the long silence in our previous IM chat session)

Are they too big and scary for you to tackle and try to criticize, Nerd? * laughs*

I was giving you the name of that landlord and her group and I was willing to give you the names of the people they victimized and you see their land listings with that daeling of description with visible intent on fooling people with their trading.

And you know that significant portion of the new sl residents get ripped off 2k usd or so of their money in the dealings like this with them.

What was stopping you from Blogging them about. What was stopping you from IMing them and attempt to summon them to your SL court In the name of "Sarah nerd's honorary justice group?

And what about the people who scam about with sim transactions using the fact that LL takes days of time to transfer the sim from one owner to another, and scam about selling one sim to 6 peopel adn take all their money and run off and cancel their SL account and get a new account again to do the same again.

And what about the people who pay via paypal for sims and take the sims and cancel the paypal payment.

And have you thought about how so many people in PI land market can throw away their lands at so low price and charge, way belove their cost?
and SOmetimes close to free?

Have you casted some doubts about how they could do that, and still make profits out of that dealings?

I do not blog,( I don't have time to keep many game related websites and to blog in the web) and I rarely check on sl blogs or sl resident websites.

But I been helping people with informations and I was helping them adn was talking to concierge dept lindens for their behalves, when they seemed to be in need of help..to check thee sim status and sim owners' account status..to help them get the sim trading deals safe and not to get fooled.

Because not many people in sl know that certain factors can stop the sim from getting transfered and many of the people don't know even how to check the sim ownership, I was helping this another newbie sim owner about purchasing a sim and in his case, he refused to show me the sim before he went on paying the seller and he only later showed me the sim and I found while he was believing he bought the sim for full transfer as the seller told him it would be what gonna happen, When I checked it, it was the old owner still owning that sim. And this newbie sim owner paid him 2k usd for the purchase of it.

But I was doing it random basis and I was not charging them the money for doing it..And I dont take it as one of job lines.

I just do it and did it when I saw them with the need, and when I knew that I could offer a bit of help. 'cos I didnt want to seeing someone getting ripped off unfair way.

And I have had people who have helped me with informations and advices, the ones with the good hearts from the beginning of my sl days, I like keeping them close to me and being friends with them. And I like offering the helps when I can to others the same also.

And about my ex tenant and her group, I think they got themselves into the situation of losing the rent and the land, while they had chances to avoid that. So there, it was their call. to lose it.

And I don't get my sims for free, I pay the money to buy the sims and I have to pay the tier also to LL.

SO I can show some kindness and generosity to people but I do not want to show the kindness who are not kind to others. And it is my way of running my sims and living. And I dont think you can force me to do otherwise.

And If you want to say some people charge higher for their sims while some charge less, I would point you out at this direction of, " have you checked around the mnore expensive sims and the dirt cheap ones? and have you checked and thougth of what makes the difference of the pricings?"

SOme sims are terrafomed and nicely landscaped with the effors and the good design by the sim owners while

Some sims are cut off into squares with ugly barren textures for the terrain. So no effort and added time and designing added to the default sim.

And in some sim communities there are the willing to help estate management group staffs present and willing to reply to IM's to help the tenants, and in some sims, once the person moved in, that is it, the y are on their owns.

So different products with the different wrappings and added service packages on.

Free market and diversified Service package along with the goods.

So, I dont think that you can say someone charge more than others for theirl land cos they are more greedy.

perfumed odets

ps: Let's see if you are letting this post of mine get posted on your blog page this time with NO editting.

YOu got here the "full story" from me tht you were hitting my name about on why I don't come out and talk if I think I didnt do things wrongful way. So it is long and here.

I'm not saying PO is a Saint.....i'm simply saying she is not the land shark set out to rip people off. She is a hobbyist land dealer at best, who made mistakes and errors of judgements along the way!

Your blog has more or less made her out to be one!

Unfortunately she was not so eloquent with her replies,
nor very structured for that matter. Maybe she should
have taken a deep breadth and written her defence with a bit more clarity and without emotion. Instead of answering in IM's and having them posted here, she should have written a formal reply on a notecard.....that would have been the better option.

Never mind, the damage is already done.

For the record, I'm not upset at all.....it's just i can't abide playground school bullies!!!