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Unexpected chat at BNT financial meeting reveals Hacking Incident

So on Sunday evening I went to a meeting for bank customers of BNT financial aka M2B bank. I was pretty much hearing the regular PR pitch from the Bank exec about hope for the future and the expected opening of their ATM’s. I should mention only 6 or 8 people came to the meeting which is a sad display of SL resident’s interest in banks at this point in time. In the middle of the PR fest there arose such a clatter, I sat up in my seat to see what was the matter. (I really need a shock expression for my avatar.) My o my. In the midst of a discussion between Cliff Eclipse and one of the bank customer, it came out that the bank had been hacked and suffered a loss of at least 200k lindens. What? All of the sudden the bank customer was saying BNTF had taken 1.2 million Lindens and the BNT execs were saying his fraud scheme had caused losses of 200k Lindens; and caused them to shut down the ATM’s and get a whole new banking system. And the reason for not disclosing this incident? “It was embarrassing.” There were other banking scandals and this would only add to the falling banks. It was bad for business.

This was all a very lengthy exchange and unfolded very strangely at the meeting. In the middle of the bank customer stating his side of the story he poofed into thin air! Kadden Yue president of ACE, finally acknowledged she had pulled the switch on him and banned him. Cliff and Kadden acknowledged the hack several weeks prior, and indicated it was a mutual decision at BNT not to disclose the theft. Isn’t Intlibber the voice of no business is trustworthy without complete transparency? What kind of twilight zone is this?

Repeated requests by the few people present for numbers on assets and outstanding loans were side stepped. We were told that the biggest outstanding loans for BNTF were with BNT. So the bank is really loaning themselves money. Interesting strategy.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think the folks at BNT are evil or dishonest. Just highly misguided. They constantly talk is about decisions being made from higher up than themselves and then say they are part of a team making decisions that has survived abuse, theft, and a falling economy. You can’t have it both ways folks. You can’t pick and choose what you are open about and what you disclose. It is an all or nothing proposition.

By the way, the banking customer accused of scamming the ATM’s flatly denies any wrong doing and alleges BNT is taking over a million lindens from him unjustly. We the filtered public will never know which side is in the right here, as those bank records will never be released.

I don’t get the mentality of finance in SL. Each new layer that comes along cries out for openness, honesty and transparency. Each time they scream that they will show it can be done profitably. Then gooey sticky crap like this comes out yet again. Can this game be played openly with ethics. No one has succeeded thus far.

I've been meaning to comment...

I know that on more than one occasion, I have not reported something when there was a flaw until after the fix was in place - mainly to assure decreased losses, etc. That said, if there was a flaw in the system, I can see that they wouldn't say anything about it... it happens in the real world all the time. It doesn't necessarily make it right, but nothing is said when a bank loses money other than a change in figures (one would hope) in the prospectus.

That isn't a defense. It is just a comparison.

Could they have handled it better? Well, if someone was dragging the dirty laundry out - almost certainly they could have. Will they learn from the lesson? Who knows...

Second Life Consultant

Here are the facts...

Back BEFORE BNT even owned My Second Bank, I personally had 1.2 million L$ on deposit there. Thor Columbia and his partner, Charles Granville, and I agreed to merge M2B into BNT. Charles assured us that the banks software, which he developed, was the best and most secure in SL.

Come to find out, when we completed the merger, that my personal balance mysteriously dropped to 1000 L$. At the same time, some woman was claiming to have 1.2 million in the bank she wanted to withdraw, etc etc. She apparently transferred those funds to another avatar, and finally transferred the funds to two more avatars, each of whome tried to get the money out of the bank, and demanding service.

Apparently they had used a scripted object named "IntLibber Brautigan" to transfer funds out of my account into the first avatar claiming that sum. The initial reason I suspected them to be fraudsters was that at the time of the takeover, I was the largest depositor in M2B, so someone claiming to have similar deposits was not possible.

At the time we assumed they were honest customers, we had no evidence otherwise because Charles had taken the bank's database offline in a strike over how much shares in BNT he was getting in the deal, and thereafter was hard to get ahold of and very cagey about the banks transaction records, which were impossible to find by someone unfamiliar with the system (i.e. they were not stored in a typical mysql table).

We tried our best to make things right, even transferred a sim to them as a means of withdrawal of large sums. Once we hired our own database expert to take a look at things, in October, after we had gotten fed up with Charles' obstructions and evasions (meanwhile he had sold half his stock in BNT on Capex and laundered the money to his Charles Gantenbein alt, which he used to daytrade BNT while his compatriots trashed BNT in the capex forums to fake up volatility, all while the Capex officials stood by and did nothing, which in RL constitutes serious securities law breaches, its a good thing Arb considers his exchange a "game") we figured things out.

We finally figured out what had happened, the morning after the two brazillian avatars used a account transfer/close hack to violate the banks withdrawal limits in order to drain bank reserves. It was at this time we'd had enough with the old bank system and took the ATMs offline.

We then paid a considerable sum for the AVIX software, which, while its owner had a shady reputation, the software itself is solid as a rock, because its developer, Unoti Quonset of Tango11 Communications, is a man of integrity with programming talents to match. This software was used both for ACE and BNTF separately to prevent comingling.

I should note also that Charles Granville, on Oct 30th, hacked my SL account (LL notified me of this) in order to steal a ACE ATM. He set up this ATM in Nangrim sim, but because of our softwares excellent security, it was not able to be activated. We IP traced Charles Granville and Charles Gantenbeins accounts to the same IP address in Pasadena from which the hack on my SL account occured.

As a result of these crimes, Charles has lost his 800,000 shares of BNT, and Charles Gantenbein lost his 1,030,000 shares of BNT. We reproach SLCapex for standing by enjoying the spectacle of this while doing nothing to prevent this fraud.

The Brazillian avatars who hacked my M2B account have lost their deposits for being in receipt of stolen goods, at the very least, even if they were not directly involved in the original account transfer hack of my personal account in M2B before we bought that bank.

As of this time, there have been no further attacks on BNTF or ACE, and our security is amped up considerably.

FURTHER NOTE: In early summer, Thor Columbia loaned JC Brink some 8,000 US for him to buy his Commerce sims. When the 'fraud' of JC Brink's bank was announced, Maelstrom and I went to the commerce sims to investigate. I checked the estate info, and the sims had already been transferred into the ownership of Lindsay and Luke Birdbrain. Given that sim transfers require 7-10 days for LL to process, it is clear that JC Brink's fraud was planned well in advance, and sims which were properly the property of M2B were taken by Lindsay Druart and Luke Birdbrain. They are in receipt of stolen goods.

Given how much Lindsay likes to attack BNT, it seems to be because she knows if she doesn't keep up the attack, more people will investigate how she obtained sims that M2B paid for.

In response to IntLibber Brautigan

This is Charles Granville.

I'm amused to hear that I have 'compatriots.' Who are they?

Regarding your claims of hacking, I have not hacked IntLibber's account. You would think that if the Lindens notified IntLibber of such a thing, they would have notified me. They haven't, for the simple reason that I have done no such thing.

I don't know anything about any of the thievery described in your post, but I do know of the eight hundred thousand shares of BnT that you, IntLibber, have stolen from me.

As for the elaborate maze of deadly traps leading to the ever elusive transaction logs, it was located at log.mysecondbank.com. Did the eight or nine times I told you never sink in, or did you forget the password? Your lack of technical ability was, and continues to be, astounding.

IntLibber, I demand that you stop spreading lies about me. I haven't defrauded or stolen from anyone. As far as I'm concerned, the only mistake I made was being unlucky enough to run into you.

PS:

Good job with that stock repurchase. Good thing I'm not a stockholder!

Fantasy, not facts.

A lot of this long-winded explanation is just pure fantasy.

IntLibber Brautigan and Thor Columbia made a deal to merge M2B into BNT without consulting Charles Granville, the developer of all the bank's software. He found out about the "deal" through a press release, before he had agreed to sell any of his property. Thor Columbia and Intlibber Brautigan are such financial nim-wits that neither of them did the due diligence necessary to identify what was for sale and who owned it. Charles took the bank down to force them to pay him something for his bank, which they eventually did, in (now worthless) BNT shares. As soon as he was paid, he released the systems. Although he had ample opportunity to mess with the bank, he never did - he's got better stuff to do. There have been no "obstructions and evasions" because that transaction was the last time he connected with those guys. And that has been his last contact with any of the players in this mini-drama. He is rarely in SL, because his actual life is busy and he's not terribly interested in what goes on in SL banking. (He won't even find out about this post unless I tell him.) He sold some BNT shares because he figured they weren't much of an investment with those guys in charge, but never got to sell the rest before IntLibber took them away again. He never hacked IntLibber's SL account, LL never notifed anyone about a hack (that part of IntLibber's story is especially ridiculous), and IntLibber stole his BNT shares without any process or notification whatsoever. A complaint to SLEC went unanswered, of course, because SLEC is IntLibber's little game also.

These guys, IntLibber especially, are failed wanna-bes who actually have very little business sense. Poor IntLibber made a big deal about his financial restructuring of BNT, which would lessen his ownership percent of the company and thereby raise the stock price - and did nothing good at all to the share price. The market didn't react at all, no one thinks there's any value to his management (and he for sure isn't a technical guy!!) He resorts to slander and finger-pointing because he doesn't have the skills to actually accomplish much. :(

Anyone who "invests" in this stuff in SL better also think it's just a game, because the guys in charge are clowns that fit into a really really tiny car.

Interesting...

To my knowledge, they did not even alert customers that the ATMs were down. I know I got several IMs about it and I referred those people to Eliale and even got a notice from the Rock saying that they would not insure BNTF customers until further notice. It was not until AFTER the Rock stopped insuring BNTF customers that BNTF said ANYTHING public about the ATMs being down.

Got caught trying to replace the cookies in the cookie jar I guess. But whatever happens...happens I guess.

most unfortuate

Let's see how this story plays out...

Not often your hear such as

" Group Notice From: IntLibber Brautigan

BNT and ACE have come under undeserved and repeated attack by parties involved in SLCapex, including Rock Insurance, which deigns itself the authority to decide, without investigation or due process, who is worthy of "certification". Firstly, Rockerduck Vella = Eliale Morigi, and is in cahoots with JT Financial and SLCapex to help ruin BNT. JTF Financial is a ponzi scheme on the scale of Ginko, and Rock is covering up for their financial malfeasance while attacking others. "

in the financial theatre ...
o well, in SL maybe as in Sloppy Losers

:/
Luv

Midas down too ... HCL bonds technically kaput ... going to be a nice fortnight

Standard Business Practice

It appears to me after watching BNT for sometime now that their standard business practice is to call fowl and aggressively launch slanderous attacks and finger pointing against any entity every time they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

This kind of behavior is both transparent, immature and highly unprofessional. Oppose to attacking Rock Insurance because they chose to halt certificate shares due to the ATM and other related issues, why not attempt to:

(1) Identify the problem

(2) develop a solution to correct the problem with an estimated timframe

(3) Communiciate the problem to the public and the shareholders.

(4) Sit down with the business entities that may be directly affected by the problem and work TOGETHER to minimize the risk to all involved.

In order for the SL business community to thrive, we must rise above such petty behavior. There is NOTHING wrong with saying, "We have a problem and we are working swiftly to correct the issue".

Oppose to all of this backbiting and baseless accusations and heresay. Because unless you can materialize PROOF and HARD FACTS of your claims, thats all it is nothing more than a child having a tantrum!

Cadence Juran, CEO
Crescendo Corporation
_____________________
"It's all in the message. Get into it!"

We would like to think so....

But BNT following this model is like waiting for BNT to pay dividends....

GEEZ!

/me facepalms.....

How can another company ruin BNT when they ruined themselves buying software from a known conman?

And it looks like ...

... they didn't manage to close the hole ...
ACE trading and website have been down for well more than 12 hours now. Due to an attack.

Luv

Mother always said....

Slow and steady wins the race while fast and careless slaps the face.

Very well stated

Very well stated Lindsay!

Cadence Juran, CEO
Crescendo Corporation
_____________________
"It's all in the message. Get into it!"

Programmers: A most dangerous business.

The most dangerous thing to any institution in game is their programmers and the potential for them to corrupt. Unless the owners of the institution can exact absolute control over their code, they may as well be open wallets.

-Maelstrom Baphomet

Maelstrom

I think you're just pointing fingers. If you business folks want to go with the fly by night developers, that is your business decision. If you don't want to work together to create a robust solution, that is a business decision.

In essence, poor business decisions are the bane - not people who take advantage of your poor business decisions.

Second Life Consultant

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