Jack has wrapped up the mainland discussion forum post and there are a couple issues about this that I find greatly concerning, the main one being "What the bloody hell are they upto?"
I feel there's a classic bait and switch going on here that is going to lead to some unrest. Advertising is a key issue, and I feel they've got something up their sleeve that I'm not going to like.
Jack said "We need to professionalize all aspects of advertising inworld. This includes our relationship with the advertisers, the conditions under which advertising (especially by large networks) is controlled and the guidelines that we wish advertisers to adhere to."
Besides using a Z instead of an S, for which he should be thrown into the channel, I don't like the implications here. They're throwing a fig leaf to the very people who have caused the problems. Those of us who put adverts in our own malls, for our friends, customers or merely because we like something, are in for a raw deal over this I fear. Not all advertising = ad farm. If I want to attach to the wall of a store an advert advertising my private island or another store I should damn well be able to do so. If my neighbour tells me it's too bright, it's too big, it's blighting their view (and attached to a wall this is unlikely) then i'll be a good neighbour, I'll change it, I'll move it, I'll compromise.
However I really don't want to have to pay one of the big ad networks to carry my adverts, I can advertise myself thank you very much. There's no point putting an advert in a place that is going to piss off your neighbours, that's common sense, I don't need a policy to tell me that.
973 posts later Jack closes the thread and says : "No surprise that advertising is your highest priority for things to tackle. You want action as soon as possible and so do we. I would hope to have a clear policy statement in front of you very soon and to see the situation inworld change dramatically for the better in September. Remember that this isn't just about removing ad farms, which we clearly need to do and soon, but also about providing a scaleable framework to control responsible advertising in terms of where and how it happens and how much we allow."
A scaleable framework? I thought at the time when Ancient Shriner of TAG posted in that thread that he was too happy. How much they allow? Where it happens? This is mainland isn't it? Largely unzoned mainland I should add. The issues with advertising and griefing are covered in the terms of service, buildings can and are removed if they are deemed to be grief builds. Items are removed for encroachment, the tools already exist to deal with adverts that cause offence, enforcement has been the issue. What the heck is going on here?
A lot of people in there were complaining about extortion plots and banlines, this is a technical fix, well roll it bloody well out and remove that complaint.
There's something fishy going on here, something isn't quite right. I've read about people who have AR'd extortion plots, heard nothing back, built screens and then found those screens returned because they block access to a 16M plot. Blocking access to a 16M plot with nothing on it but banlines is hardly what I'd call an abuse.
I've had items returned to me but in my case I guess they were overhanging the extortion plots so hands up "It's a fair cop guv'nor"
However other situations don't appear to be a fair cop, check out this incident reported by Happy Clam Island Citizens, particularly this part:
Minerva Linden: This is a gray area really. Given the fact that you've put the walls up on two sides and is banned from one of the parcels, and he needs to have access to his parcels other than tping, I'd say no. Again you'll probably want to get a second opinion.
Minerva Linden: Nostrum, I can promise you that something should be coming soon.
Cinco Pizzicato: JubJub is not banned.
Cinco Pizzicato: let me make sure.
Minerva Linden: The parcel next to it is no access
Cinco Pizzicato: it is not my parcel
Minerva Linden: The one owned by Gorajarne
Cinco Pizzicato: yes.
Minerva Linden: Yes, I know you don't own it, but everyone is banned from that parcel :)
Cinco Pizzicato: I have no control over that.
Minerva Linden: So there's only a tiny gap.
Cinco Pizzicato: that is the ONLY SIDE on which he is banned!
Minerva Linden: Again, if you've filed a ticket, it will be answered.
Cinco Pizzicato: I have not banned him.
Cinco Pizzicato: I have only put up phantom prims to avoid looking at eyesores.
Minerva Linden: Harry will have the ultimate say on whether or not my judgement wasn't sound.
How on earth can someone be accused of blocking access because a parcel another side blocks access to everyone? There is something decidedly fishy about the way these AR's are being handled.
Maybe I'm missing a point or two here, but I really don't see why they need to make policy changes to deal with advertising. The terms of service already deals with it. I can understand the need to look into policy changes for situations when one or two plots on a sim are using all the resources and making the rest of the sim unusbale, say for example there's a busy club or a store full of camping bots that prevents others from teleporting in, but advertising? There's something wrong here.
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Suspension as a result of this blog
Just FYI, Cinco was suspended for 3 days because of "violating disclosure", posting of that chat log excerpt.
LL is out of control at this point. They are COMPLETELY CLUELESS and INCOMPETENT. It's time to turn our attention to the REAL cause of the problem: Linden Lab itself. Time to blow the whistle and let everyone know just how much of a sham LL is and that they are really all about supporting fraud and abuse.
I doubt it.
The disclosure policy does not cover external websites. The disclosure policy covers inworld disclosure; that is why posting of chat logs on external websites has never been punished.
Sharing of a chat log by, for example, notecard, could be seen as an issue. As far as the content of the chat - that may have some bearing as to why Linden Lab went that extra step. And that demonstrates the inconsistency in the execution of their policy... which, to me, is unsurprising.
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Monopolization of ads to compete with Google Lively
The way i see it, they are looking to impose some PG/Adult controls on 3rd party ad networks to ensure adult ads dont appear on boards in PG areas. At some point the teen grid will be merged into the main grid and LL wants to have some clear delineations between PG and adult areas, including content appearing in PG sims.
I also see this as the first step in consolidation of the advertising business, given Google's Lively is monetized by Googles advertising cash flow thats extended into Lively. (does Google allow third party advertising networks within Lively? dont think so). Every independent ad network is earning revenues that LL thinks it should be earning.
IMHO the ironically misnamed "arbor" groups (who in fact actually oppose the presence of virtual vegetation on land they seize/buy/bully) are operating merely to LL's financial benefit. When they abandon that land to LL, often times it gets resold.
Context?
Do you have a log available for this discussion? On the basis of that comment alone, I took it to mean: "We are going to have to up the standards of how advertising is occurring within Second Life. This is particularly true of advertising cooperatives and/OR people with advertisements prevailing in large portions of the virtual environment." Simplified, that means: This place is a freakin' junkyard and it needs to stop.
Strikes me as a very good thing. Of course, without the benefit of a log - I could be wrong. :)
In re grammar. You and Eddie Izzard should chat :) Assuming you haven't already.
a Bay City for adfamers is what we need!
I have s slightly snarky JIRA up about adfarmers. My proposal is to create new sims with nothing but 16 sqm lots which cannot be joined. Kind of a Bay City for adfarmers :-)
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1461
They wd be allowed to raise or lower their lots by 40m rather than the usual 4m. If they stuck a megaprim adtower on top of a 40m cliff (or even a 20m cliff, assuming that the Linden roads through the area would be at the original average elevation for the sim) then adfarmers cd have rotating, flashing 3-prim adtowers as high as 250m above the road.
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The thread is:
http://forums.secondlife.com/forumdisplay.php?f=346
I don't know if you can see that link without logging into the main website.
Jack's main posts are the first one and the last one. Yes it should be about cleaning up the mess, I'm just suspicious about the subplot!
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From Jack Linden's post on the third page:
On the first page he made statements that LL needed to get more involved. I got excited, because I read it to mean they were going to be more sensitive to community issues and such. After I saw this, your bait-and-switch comments became quite clear. A new gimmick to sell new land under the auspices of an increasingly concerned regime.
Ciaran, do you ever get the feeling LL just doesn't like you land slingers tinkering with their bread and butter? :)
Live and let live
The simple fact is that landlords and estate managers do a better job of policing than Linden Lab. Linden Lab do want a piece of our pie, and I don't blame them. The estate tier issue confuses me somewhat because we save them money, we save them money in support, we save them money on billing. We are a franchise and yet we don't get the breaks a real franchise would get. However they have to pay their bills and the current model works for them.
As for selling land, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Auctions recently haven't been working out so well for them, yet Bay City prices went through the roof. I think that message hit home, zoned land will fetch a lot more than unpoliced land. So as sales are falling for an average sim it makes sense for them to maximise revenue by selling sims for a lot more than they'd fetch normally.
Zoned sims will go for a song, I said this the moment I first heard it mentioned at an office hour. It's a temporary fix though, the same as the openspace boom.