June 12, 2008 by Konner McDonnell
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This evening, Bart Heart sent me an offline IM with links to three announcements posted by Second Life International Business(SLIB) CEO Tyrian Camilo. Please click here for the main announcement page.
While I'm not one to jump when a CEO throws me a few links, I had to make a note of this. How could I not?
When Camilo acquired WJUV, a company owned by the now-delisted Atlas Venture Capital(AVC), the owning company had been halted by VSTEX pending an investigation. As I've noted several times, I was the de facto chairman of the AVCIC, the committee appointed by AVC shareholders to investigate potential wrongdoing by then-CEO Monkey Canning. In the AVCIC Final Report , I criticized the transaction as fraudulent on Canning's behalf and where Camilo and Intlibber Brautigan where concerned, a decision of questionable integrity.
But Camilo, who has reportedly dabbled in the notorious 'ad farm' method of selling land at extortive prices, is learning: You play with fire and you get burned.
Based on the announcements, Camilo's request for the domain transfer of WJUV's website, WJUV.com, was met with a request by our ol' pal Frank Corsi (former SL: Jasper Tizzy): Pay me for my 50,000 WJUV shares, first.
Whether Corsi owned any shares is unknown, but Camilo was quick to announce that his 'lawyer' had been contacted. Some six hours later, Camilo posted a third announcement to report that the website had since been sold to Valentine Heart Inc (VHI) CEO Bart Heart, despite Corsi's offer to sell it to Camilo for $30 USD. Camilo decried this transaction as unfair and, again, alluded to a possible litigation.
As part of the AVCIC, I asked Camilo about the terms of this acquisition of WJUV. Camilo scolded me and accused me of trying to learn his 'business secrets.' Apparently those 'secrets' didn't involve having the domain transferred immediately after his acquisition.
When asked of his plans for the WJUV.COM website, Heart informed me that he would be selling it for a profit and donating the proceeds to AVC shareholders who were wrongly deprived of WJUV as an asset. How this will impact WJUV shareholders is unknown.
While I do not intend to follow-up to this article, I welcome any official statement by CEO Heart and commend his efforts.
Any chance we could get you to buy the WSE website, Mr. Heart?
Update:
VSTEX provided me with an 'official' transcript from a discussion between Tyrian Camilo, Bart Heart, and others. You may find it below or here
While I highly doubt that Camilo will carry his threat of a 'final resolution(16:32)' to fruition, updates will follow as necessary.
[16:26] Tyrian Camilo: Bart: I'm the CEO and major owner
[16:26] Bart Heart: Yea but your not the domain owner of WJUV.com
[16:26] Tyrian Camilo: I didn't found it, but i own a large piece of it
[16:26] Bart Heart: But didnt you post that Central Grid owned it
[16:29] Bart Heart: From what I hear Grander owns 50% of WJUV and Mike31 has 20%
[16:29] Tyrian Camilo: No, i didn't post that neither
[16:30] Bart Heart: I dint say you posted the last part, that what I heard today
[16:30] Bart Heart: this is what you posted
[16:30] Bart Heart: Despite that Mr. Frank Corsi (Also known as Jasper Tizzy) has given away the domain originally to Monkey Canning, and later on to Tyrian Camilo, always refused the actual domain transfer
[16:31] Bart Heart: so if he doesnt transfer it you dont own it
[16:31] TraderJohn Susa: Sorry to chime in but Bart is correct
[16:32] Tyrian Camilo: aah, .COM domain name
[16:32] Tyrian Camilo: but that dispute is getting an resolution, tomorrow we expect an final resolution to it
[16:32] Bart Heart: yea thats what is was saying the whole time WJUV.com
[16:32] Tyrian Camilo: Yeah, i thought i meant WJUV as a company :)
[16:36] Bart Heart: So dont you think you should wait till you own the domain till you decide to dump the company on someone else
[16:37] Bob Perry: k
[16:38] Tyrian Camilo: Bart: lol, well it's pretty much certain the ownership finally, officially, changes hands tomorrow
[16:39] Bart Heart: Cause I think I got a chance of buying the domain name
[16:50] Tyrian Camilo: Bart: Huh? Corsi has offered it to you?
[16:51] Bart Heart: Its possible
[16:52] Tyrian Camilo: How come it's possible?
[16:53] Bart Heart: anything is possible in SL
[16:53] Tyrian Camilo: So you are just shouting out and intentionally trying to cause stir and confusion?
[16:54] Bart Heart: NO im still in talks about it now
[16:54] Bart Heart: I have already sent a down payment for it
[16:54] Tyrian Camilo: So you are talking about buying it, talking with Corsi?
[16:54] Bart Heart: I guess I should say IMing
[16:55] Tyrian Camilo: with whom?
[16:55] Bart Heart: I buy and sell Domains
[16:57] Tyrian Camilo: but whom are you talking with?
[16:57] Bart Heart: Ill let you know the details once the trasaction is finall
[17:06] Tyrian Camilo: So in other words you are justattempting confusion
[17:06] Tyrian Camilo: your reputation precedes you Bart
[17:07] Bart Heart: My rep is 100% better then yours
[17:09] Tyrian Camilo: Yes, in the con-man world
[17:09] Tyrian Camilo: in the con-man world everyone knows here already that they give me anything, even the tinest detail and i'm ready to bust their balls
[17:09] Tobia Forcella: hey men, please talk about your private questions in IM thanks
[17:10] Bart Heart: Bart Heart is the proud domain holder of WJUV.com
[17:10] Tyrian Camilo: Sure you are :)
[17:12] Tyrian Camilo: just like i said, here to cause stir and confusion
[17:15] Bart Heart: Feel free to search the WHO IS it takes a couple of minutes to update
[17:16] Tyrian Camilo: Checked already out of curiosity :)
[17:16] Tobia Forcella: [17:09] Tobia Forcella: hey men, please talk about your private questions in IM thanks
[17:16] Tobia Forcella: [17:09] Tobia Forcella: hey men, please talk about your private questions in IM thanks
[17:16] Tobia Forcella: [17:09] Tobia Forcella: hey men, please talk about your private questions in IM thanks
[17:16] Tyrian Camilo: Tobia: this does relate to VsTex aswell
[17:17] Bart Heart: No it doesn't
[17:17] Tyrian Camilo: Tobia: If Bart for some bizarre reason got wjuv.com, he essentially just robbed an listed company called WJUV Radio
[17:17] Bart Heart: take it to privtate IMs if you want to talk
[17:19] Mike31 Dawes: wjuv.com was never owned by wjuv
[17:19] Mike31 Dawes: it was leased
[17:19] Tyrian Camilo: Mike: Yes it was, i got a legally binding contract over here which says it was given
[17:19] Mike31 Dawes: it does pertain to vstex as dfc owns 10% of wjuv
[17:19] Bart Heart: BUt this part does pertain to VSTex, I will sell the domain and any profit I make from it I will give to the AVC shareholders that got ripped off for the sale of Monkey's share to you
[17:20] Mike31 Dawes: you have a contract from someone that never owned it
[17:20] Tyrian Camilo: Bart: Monkey's personal actions are not of my cause, if that's where you are going for
[17:20] Tyrian Camilo: Mike: i got it from Frank Corsi
[17:20] Mike31 Dawes: never
[17:20] Mike31 Dawes: he let you use it.
[17:20] Mike31 Dawes: show a bill of sale
[17:21] Tyrian Camilo: Mike: aaah, Frank Corsi told you to say that :) Little pet dog of his :D
[17:21] Tyrian Camilo: Mike31: Tell Frank to learn law
[17:21] Mike31 Dawes: i'm no pet.
[17:22] Tyrian Camilo: an email is a legally binding contract, same as spoken contract, if it can be proofen valid
[17:23] Tyrian Camilo: Mike: Yes you are, and everyone knows it :)
[17:23] Mike31 Dawes: maybe you should read up some. provide a receipt, invoice
[17:23] Mike31 Dawes: you listen to a man called monkey too much
[17:23] Tyrian Camilo: Oh, how many times you've been in court or needed to refer to contract law to enforce a portion of a contract? ;)
[17:23] Mike31 Dawes: often
[17:24] Bart Heart: YOu must be talking to the same laywer that Int had with the ANCAPEX.com domain issue
[17:24] Mike31 Dawes: i deal with contracts frequently.
[17:24] Tyrian Camilo: Apparently not, you are ignorant and clueless as of what pertains to spoken, as well as email, contracts
[17:24] Tyrian Camilo: Bart: I don't even know who their lawyer is
[17:24] Tyrian Camilo: Mike: Oh, Extortion contracts? :D
[17:25] Mike31 Dawes: lol consrtuction contracts
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Actually helping AVC Shareholders
While Bart likes to make up stories about how he's going to help the AVC shareholders with that domain he stole, at ACE, we are actually putting it where our mouths are.
Yesterday, we distributed Monkey Canning's ESN shares to the AVC shareholders. We will now hold a shareholder meeting for ESN to determine its future. ESN is now a 100% publicly owned company. Its up to you, the shareholders, to decide what happens.
The AVC shareholders got 1 share of ESN for every 10 shares of AVC, thereabouts. I have asked Stryker Yoshikawa to organize the shareholder meeting. Please contact him if you would like to run for the board or CEO positions.
Re: Actually helping AVC Shareholders
Well im happy to say that we have put our money where out mouth is thank you, Wjuv on ACE is dead , has had no activity in ages.
So we have taken a step towards making things better for eveyone who has been Burned in this by launching Dagger Media Inc. (DMI) on VSTEX. We have decided to do an IPO for Dagger Media Inc / WJUV. Raising 250,000L$ we feel is a small amount, for an established radio station with a website and request system already in SL. 70,000L$ of the capital raised in the IPO will go directly to the DFC (20,000L$) and AVC (50,000L$) shareholders, if the IPO sells out 100%. We feel that the assets stolen by Monkey Canning (AVC) and Mike31 Dawes (DFC) need to be repaid. We have offered to buy WJUV on ACE with no response from Tyrian Camilo. No announcements and no listeners. We offered to buy Tyrian out and move those shares to VSTex.
Well i am proud to say once again , we have put our money where our mouths are , 20k was paid out today to DFC and the 50k To AVC
T.Dagger
CEO Dagger Media Inc.
Re: Actually helping AVC Shareholders
Im sorry, but who was this paid to and can you prove the shareholders benefited?
Re: Actually helping AVC Shareholders
The full amount of 70,000 L$ (50,000+20,000) was distributed to AVC and DFC shareholders, respectively. The payment was handled by us and this is, we believe, the best "evidence" one could ever ask for.
Whomever was a shareholder in the above mentioned companies at the time of their delisting got a stake into this distribution. Of course ex company managers and their alts (if any) did not receive any funds.
All AVC and DFC shareholders can see their VSTEX account history and find a "VSTEX refund" paid to them on January 2, 2009. Shareholders in both companies wil find two refunds (one for each company).
Hope this helps.
Samantha Goldflake
VSTEX Communication and Public Relations Director
http://www.vstex.net
Re: Actually helping AVC Shareholders
Nice plug. I was inclined to remain silent about this. But since you brought it to my doorstep…
From your Prospectus on VSTEX:
So what you actually did was put investor's money where Bart Heart's mouth is.
Frankly I'm not even sure who you are or why the burden of repayment was yours to undertake. You raised $254.00 dollars and paid it to two listed companies. For some reason, I suspect selling the website as promised would have raised a fair bit more than this.
It's all pretty shady to me, starting back with the midnight transfer of WJUV.com from Jasper Tizzy to his 'good friend(tizzy's words)' Bart Heart.
I was most surprised that VSTEX approved this company's application and that shareholder's voted for the IPO. But it's par for the course these days.
Good luck with your company.
BNT is here, Jasper is not, end of story...
Its been entertaining watching the constant spew and spin of lie after lie by Frank Corsi here. Making out like BNT was failing (Madelena Rossini had no idea we had over 10 million L$ in stocks in the company portfolio to draw on, she freaked out and ran to Frank rather than getting to work to do her job to install the tier system like she said she would. We kept the tier paid ourselves.)
We sold the CGI land on the mainland for the simple reason that it was almost entirely vacant. Frank had lied repeatedly to his shareholders about his rate of occupancy. He filled his malls and buildings with fake tenants who never showed up. When we took over, there was less than 10% occupancy in CGI properties on the mainland. OF COURSE we had to sell the land, it would have been impossible to fill fast enough to keep tier paid.
Franks house of cards collapsed because it was entirely built on lies, like lying about occupancy, lying about bank reserves, etc etc. Frank Corsi is a pathological liar like none I've ever met. He chose to not pay tier to LL because he saw that since he'd already liquidated 7 sims of land to keep tier paid while the land stood vacant, it was easy to see he was spending his principal into oblivion. What was left in the value of CGI land was equivalent to the investments of the CGI shareholders at market prices when we completed the merger. Like Frank and I had negotiated a month prior, Patrick and I merged CGI into BNT at a NAV to NAV equivalency.
Once we determined the poor occupancy of the CGI lands, liquidation was really the only choice.
Since that time, BNT stock has risen, and we are happy to say the former CGI shareholders are all relieved to be the exception to the rule among those who have invested in Franks various fraud companies.
Should Frank have had liens on the CGI mainland held by his bank, if the bank had in fact lent CGI the money for them (other than that bought by CGI IPO money and stock trading profits)??? Probably, but as is typical for Frank, he is a fraudster, so he didnt encumber CGI with lien liabilities that would impact its NAV negatively, so that he could boost the CGI share price to play his trading games. Frank certainly never told me or Patrick that CGI owed anybody else any money.
The proof is in the pudding, people. BNT stayed in business, flourished, completed its exchange, and has filled its sims. ACE is now the 2nd largest exchange in SL. We pay our bills every month. Sometimes we deal with tier fraud by scammers, like Frank did to us. Sometimes his friends like Bart Heart scam us.... It happens. But we have stuck around for now almost a year past when Frank told people BNT was going under. BNT has grown now to 49 sims, almost 20% larger than we were when Frank tried to destroy us to take us over. ACE now has 15 listed companies and a number in IPO.
Instead, Frank went under, and BNT has proven the test of time. Proof is in the pudding buddy: pay your bills or GTFO. Second Life Is A Harsh Mistress: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Con artists can only con for so long in SL before the harsh economic realities trip them up.
They can lie to people, flatter them, and smear myself and BNT, but you can't BS about staying in business for long. Frank is gone from SL, we are not. Even when our exchange suffered a massive database failure, we did not walk away, we stuck to it, we worked through it tirelessly. There is nobody in SL who can get away with saying BNT is not legit. We've proven the liars wrong time and time again, Frank Corsi among them.
Ash et al.
Even though I love getting down to the root of things, there are occasions when I enjoy the short and sweet:
"I did abandoned AVC, since my tier was due that same day and I made a choice to leave and not pay LL tier. So I didnt have much time to stay around since LL was and did kill my account."
Simple.
Mr. Corsi is a calculating sort, of this I have no doubt. So when he chose to abandon AVC, chose to come here and renew the argument, chose to drop Bart Heart's name as his "good friend," and all those choices in between, I do not believe them to have been impulsive or accidental.
After you've unleashed all the venom you've been saving for just this occasion, remember the above. In a externally unregulated environment where all we have beyond a few exchange 'rules,' is 'reputation' this is all I need to know. As a human, I forgive. My money does not. So yes, when you see Mr. Corsi's name involved with something, I suggest you keep his above statement in mind. What do you afterwards, of course, is up to you.
Enjoy folks,
km
Jasper/Frank,If you really
Jasper/Frank,
If you really want to clear your name, own up to the remaining balances owed to the bank account holders. They gave you money in good faith and deserve to see it returned regardless of how the bank turned out. They could care less what was folded into what and sold to whom. You were the face of the bank and you are the face of the missing funds, whether you like it or not. The decisions you made on that ill fated day have caused a chain reaction.
Why couldn't there have been a press release - Jasper Tizzy is leaving SL to explore and develop a new Central Grid. X will be in control of AVC and X will be in control of CGI. Any questions regarding the bank should be directed to X. Account holders will be compensated in X fashion until all obligations are made whole. Instead, a vague post from the exchange itself that "I've left and Patrickj has all my assets?" That screams liquidation.
Had you paid the tier, sold off the remaining land and paid your account holders off none of this would have been a problem. Had a transition plan been executed and communicated before you left you might not have gotten such a stern reaction from the masses. Everything I saw from day you left indicated that no one knew what was going on. Both companies went into full damage control and repositioning with the idea that you had up and left. You really should have thought that through. And although it was not covered up that you were in Central Grid it surely wasn't disclosed until months later, on a reactionary basis. Had it been disclosed earlier I am sure you would have seen a great rise in the number of Central Grid users.
You want to do right? Post the list of account holders (without balances!)and indicate who has been paid and who has not. Detail a plan for compensation instead of just saying go chase Intlibber for your money. If you are correct about the misappropriation of AVC assets then prove it. Show us balance sheets or get VSTEX to show us balance sheets that clearly show the assets were not CGI assets. However, I am not so sure this is even clear in your head because everything I've seen indicates inconsistentcy. Besides, this was so long ago I don't believe i would trust them anyway unless they were posted at VSTEX.
I do know if you want to clear your name the first thing you need to do is arrange paying back the bank account holders.
Or not. It's really up to you. I've written off my shares of AVC and I can't even remember if I had money in the bank. Maybe 1K or so I think. However, you either need to disappear again or start formulating a plan for compensation. Coming here and blaming Intlibber for a sell that your delegate made isn't going to cut it with me. Ecspecially with how muddy you left the waters. These types of accusations require documents and details.
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I would like to help correct the problem.
The assets are now gone, and we cant distribute them to the shareholders or bank members.
I can post a list of the bank people, how will that help. Do you think Intlibber will return the money he collected?
As for me, I never took any money from SL, it was all invested into the land.
You did have 1000 L$ in the bank from Nolan Banking Center
8/14/2007
If I paid LL tier that would have been aprox 900k that people would not have recieved.
I can say now, I should not have trusted Patrickj, but at the time he was always honest. I felt he would do the right thing.
Agree
I totally agree, the only way you will clear your name is to prove what yours saying or give back the amounts that are outstanding. You should really think about it!
Not Fooled, Frank
Konner, I totally agree with you - whatever this person does, he does for a reason. For me it is simple. Frank - you can twist words, and manipulate facts and conversations, tell half-truths, and spin all you want. It sounds like the people commenting here aren't the suckers that have bought your lines in the past.
I don't know you, and you don't know me. I have no stake in any of your businesses, nor have i ever - except for one sim on the Central Grid which i owned for a time, but have given back to you in disgust recently, in light of some things I learned about the way you do business there.
But I know ABOUT you - I have long followed the financial scene in Second Life, and I remember the panic and turmoil you left behind when you CHOSE to leave SL. Or rather, when you chose to stop playing the avatar, Jasper Tizzy.
In the interests of full disclosure, why don't you let people know the names of all of the alts that you have been running in SL since then, including a list of any shares they have bought/sold, or roles they have played, in publicly listed companies in SL, or in other projects like the Central Grid. You even have the gall to refer to three of them by name (or partial name) in one of your posts here, as if they were someone else.
The rambling posts that you have made on Y2P recently are full of inconsistencies, as has been pointed out already by Ash and Konner. Your tone switches from reasonable to indignant, long-suffering to strident, ingratiating to insulting - all in the blink of an eye. All of which is meant to obscure the inconsistencies and paint a new picture of Jasper/Frank (et al) as a guiltless victim of circumstance. For example, as Konner points out, you were forced out of SL because the Lindens closed your account for non payment of tiers. Which you have already declared was your choice.
I know the way you treat people that pour their heart and soul into your enterprises - stringing them along with promises and silver-tongued words, and then stabbing them in the back when they start to expect something back from you. I have friends that have been on the receiving end of your antics.
For me, it's simple. I am not fooled by your double talk and protestations of innocence. I am not fooled by your oh-so-reasonable demeanour and tone. I know enough of the truth of the story behind your words that I am not fooled one bit. I hope that others reading this will heed my advice, and stay far away from this man, in all his incarnations, and in all his various business enterprises. Frank Corsi is interested in one thing, and one thing alone. Frank Corsi. Everything else is a means to an end.
I hope that one day, someone considers it worthwhile to untangle the web you have weaved over the last couple of years, and makes it available to us all. Who knows, it might even be me - if I can muster the sustained interest. So tell ya what Frank - take me on in here, and fan those flames. Give me that motivation. :-))
Let's compare reps and then trade stories, and then leave it to the people to decide.
dd
Im up for the challenge
Who sold you land in Central Grid? Not me.
Why did you give up your land in Central Grid?
You talked to me many time in Central Grid, and never had voiced anything to me about any problems you had.
The only thing I can imagine was BigTonny ask you for tier on the 1st and you were due on the 10th.
Up for the challenge?
That was a pretty passive way to engage......
I am not so petty as to go on a rant because of an incorrect tier date. When you and I talked, I hadn't put things together yet - I didn't know who you were in previous lives, and I wasn't really clear on who was behind the Central Grid.
I got involved in Central Grid because of Barb Carson - and as far as I was concerned, she was the best thing about CG - Reliable, knowledgeable, enthusiastic, hard working.
Now she's gone, and the way she was treated by you and the CG crowd disgusted me.
more clear?
dd
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I agree Barb is a great person. I was happy to have her as a partner. I was sad to see her quit.
Facts:
I am MrGrid, I talked to you many times and you said nothing at all was wrong with your CG Land.
I am the website programmer for Central Grid.
I help Mike with the servers.
I never recieved any money from anyone for land in CG.
Marcus was a partner and had 25% of CG as did Barb, myself and the balance was split over Mike, BigTonny and Pammie
Marcus Quit CG.
I made the suggestion to split the Marcus share 25% equaly over all 5 CG owners. Barb said she didnt see Mike, BigTonny and Pammie as worth having more share.
She quit when I said My vote goes for equal share split.
Ask BigTonny, Mike and Pammie. I have emails from Barb stating that.
So she wanted it to go her way, and I wanted equal split. She quit.
What does that have to do with anything?
"Now she's gone, and the way she was treated by you and the CG crowd disgusted me."
Please explain if you can...
No mention of alts
Frank,
I will leave Barb to tell her own story in her own time and in the medium of her choice. If I can help her in any way - I will. It suffices to say, that your version of events differs widely from hers - and she has a longstanding reputation for honesty and good business ethics. In hers, you don't come out smelling so sweet.
The absence of a response to my comment about your alts was very telling. sometimes we say as much with silence as we do with words, right? But please stop saying that you "left SL". You didn't - you simply defaulted on tier payments with one avatar, and kept the others hidden.
dd
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If you know anything about LL, when you get suspended on one account, your IP address cause you to loose ALL accounts, my wife lost her account and a few friends that came to my house lost account too.
Cathy a former employee created Maltos account, And I did use that account from time to time to help CG members or to attend CG related meetings.
Whatever Barb told you, she quit when she didnt get her way.
She left all cg groups where she was an owner, nobody can kick out an owner of a SL group.
wordplay
If you know anything about the internet - an IP ban is not hard to beat. And again, you are inconsistent - if you were using the same IP, you would not have been able to log onto Maltos' account in the first place - confirming that you obviously had found a way around the IP ban.
If you know anything about LL - it is against the terms of service to use someone else's account. It's not against the TOS to have alts. So, either you were in violation of the TOS, or you are Maltos. Well, actually, since you are supposed to be banned - it may be both.
So - since you are answering (selective) direct questions let me ask - who created Cathy? Are you saying that Cathy and Maltos are not both owned by you? Or that you don't have access to use both accounts in SL? Don't you also have other alts that are involved in SL finance and CG? Did Cathy or Maltos (or any of your others) make any trades of shares of companies that had anything to do with your former businesses or current businesses with an interest in CG? Did any of them represent themselves as anything other than alts of yours, for example as employees of CG, as investors in CG related businesses?
Just remember, the public record is a large and robust one.
In terms of the split between Barb and CG - again - that is her story to tell - not mine. But it would make sense to me that if I had a rift with someone in a business, I would also leave whatever SL-based groups related to it. That signifies nothing.
dd
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Cathy was created by her parents, lol She is a real person.
I said I used the maltos account, but I didnt create it.
In CG I use MrGrid and I have maybe 10 other names of avatars in CG.
In CG many staff use Maltos account as all the CG owned land in cg is in that name.
My IP did change since september when I left SL. AS my cable company does change IP for its member every few months.
Barb used to ask maltos are you cathy or frank.
hmmm
Could you answer the rest of the questions, instead of just a select few every time?
Don't you also have other alts that are involved in SL finance and CG? Did Maltos (or any of your others) make any trades of shares of companies that had anything to do with your former businesses or current businesses with an interest in CG? Did any of them represent themselves as anything other than alts of yours, for example as employees of CG, as investors in CG related businesses?
dd
LOL
I know and you know exactly what your talking about.
Did this other person who is still active in SL with many sims do anything to you?
glad you're amused
You and your alts have never done anything directly to me, no. But this isn't about me - it is about you. Whether or not you "did anything to me" isn't the issue. I speak up when something needs to be said - and anyone that knows me knows that it is incredibly rare for me to take this kind of stand publicly against someone. I guess I just feel very strongly about this one.
You sidestepped the questions - but it looked suspiciously like an admission to me.
And thanks for the acknowldegement that I know exactly what I am talking about, and that everything I have said is in fact based on some underlying knowledge of the situation.
dd
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You have a motive to be in here, you know it.
LOL It has nothing to do with jasper or wjuv
you're wrong
It is everything to do with you and Jasper Tizzy, and your alts and shenanigans. My motivation is to have the back of a good friend and call you out for what you are - and nothing else. I will stack my reputation for honesty and transparency up against yours any day Frank, and we' see who people are inclined to believe. The difference between you and me, is that when I talk, I don't have all kinds of subtext and hidden agendas. I talk openly and honestly - and have always done so.
I have nothing to gain by hurting you. If you are suggesting that one of your alts is somehow a competitor of mine in the land biz - don't flatter yourself. There are much bigger fish in the sea than you are, and I don't make a habit of attacking any of them in here...
Don't try to make this about me and my motivations - nobobdy here is going to be fooled by your attempts at obfuscating. Since you cannot respond to the contents of my comments, I will assume that you are simply "taking the fifth".
dd
Blah...
You never knew Jasper, nor me at all.
Here is a story written by Barb Carson, after she investigated ALL the facts.
http://metanetworknews.tv/content/view/76/51/
What a JOKE!
Jasper/Frank - So did you leave SL or did SL suspend your account? You have posted conflicting information. I seem to remember you "retired". What a joke. I put a lot of money into your ventures and for you to just up and leave because your account was suspended or whatever is uncceptable. I am sure that you had many alts and could have dealt with the problem. The bottom line - you left. Your bank was insolvent WELL before your "retirement". Leaving some "assets" in others hands and then blaming them is unacceptable. You were the leader of that company and people looked to YOU to lead. If I were in your situation I would have made it clear that I was going to lead my company and deal with my mess, one way or another. You still had access to make annoucements on the VSTEX site, no? Did the Lindens suspend that too? The fact is you abandoned the whole situation and now your blaming others for what was your intital mistake. Other banks in SL dealt with thier situation. Why couldn't you? You had a fiduciary duty to your account holders and shareholders. You abandoned that.
See the problem here is that nothing was clear and documented. I have a feeling the only ones who know what happened won't incrimate themselves. The one thing I DO know is that EVERYONE involved has confused the situation beyond all belief. Why? There was no general leading the army. He fled and then the vultures set in. Oh - shocker! And who suffered? The bank account holders. The shareholders. Surprise. No one seems to care about them.
Now you are telling me that the domain name for a company in which I hold about 12K shares is being sold to benefit a company in which I hold 100K shares? I think it's very shady. Who in the hell buys a domain for a project with the intention of keeping it "because the company might fail"? That's a load of crap. I'm glad to see the founders had faith that the project was going to work out. I reasonably assumed that the domain was part of the WJUV assets when I invested. Was it noted in the prospectus that it wasn't? Do you think I would have invested had I known that?
Why do I have the feeling that I'm never going to see a linden for either of these companies?
Who's going to buy WJUV when there is no clear title? What assets are they buying? Who wants to buy a company that is going to need an immidiate rebranding?
I am really sick of the finger pointing and blaming of others. Why can't all the parties involved take responsiblity and intitative instead of passing the buck?
I'm sorry Frank, but nothing is clear here. Trying to clear your name now is useless. The time to do that was before you ran off to Central Grid; when you should have been in complete control either through Tizzy or an alt and managed the situation instead of pawning it off onto others. Your involvement now just confuses the issue even more. It's no use.
Tyrian Camilo's Legal Threats
How can Tyrian Camilo start any legal suit against me:
1) He never paid for the domain name
2) Granger has 50% and Mike has 20% of WJUV they are majority.
3) Both Granger and Mike are owners of Central Grid also. :)
4) Tyrian Camilo claims he is in Finland, Monkey is in England, and I am in USA, Ya it can be done, but over a $30 domain name LMAO
I told Tyrian Camilo this is the facts. (or as what Luke (wse) would say)
He paid a guy in england for fictional stock with fictional money in a game with fictional avatars. lamo, gotta love luke he bailed out and people still waiting for him to come back like 6 months later.
Konner McDonnell I know you try... But you tell bull....
You try to be a good reporter, and I do see that.
But Look again... This is what was posted on ACE:
This resulted in ransom demand, here is Mr. Frank Corsi's email in full for your disgression:
"The 50,000 shares of wjuv stock is gone, we cant see any value from
that anymore. So the domain name will remain our name. You can use it,
but we will retain ownership.
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Now this is what you said:
Based on the announcements, Camilo's request for the domain transfer of WJUV's website, WJUV.com, was met with a request by our ol' pal Frank Corsi (former SL: Jasper Tizzy): Pay me for my 50,000 WJUV shares, first.
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Where did "Pay me for my 50,000 WJUV shares" come from??
See how bull shi... stories get started.
I never said that, and that was never even posted. I never had any WJUV shares. Granger Underwood has somehere in virtual intlibber world, 50% or 50,000 shares of WJUV, he is my partner and he is part of the WE I was talking about.
I also followed the avc mess, and all the shi... that you said about "our ol' pal Frank Corsi (former SL: Jasper Tizzy):" You was never my pal and dont know anything about me. But you like to say what you think.
Anyway, about this issue. We can talk about the AVC later, and maybe you can see the real truth for once about it all.
I allowed the use of the domain name wjuv.com (I have owned since 2004) to Monkey Canning and Granger Underwood in an attempt for Granger to help the failing AVC stock value with a radio station.
Granger was operating the radio and the stream was used by neo stream an SL stream broadcaster. Granger was paid 50% of the shares for his work. His shares were locked then lost when ACE lost its database. Granger has 50% and Mike31 Dawes has 20%.
Monkey attempted to sell the AVC ownership portion of this venture to Tyrian Camilo, without telling the AVC shareholders about the sell off. I tried to stop the sale by talking to Intlibber in SKYPE. He said to get the shareholders of AVC to hault the stock at vstex and he would stop the sale, well as many know vstex did hault AVC and stopped Monkey from selling off its assets, but the sale still went thru at ACE to Tyrian Camilo anyway. I see this as not too professional for a stock exchange. But is it suposed to be professional or Intlibbers piggy bank?
Now what exactly did Tyrian Camilo buy?
Not the domain name, since I never sold it to Granger or Monkey. I was letting them USE it to help AVC. And Granger and Mike31 did tell everone this, but they didnt post that.
So when Tyrian Camilo sent me an email saying the DNS was not working, although I tested the name and it was working fine. He was trying to use radio.wjuv.dns.com - I told him it was wrong, and he needs to use radio.wjuv.com
He admited he was using the wrong name. And then demanded that I hand over the domain name.
I told him I wasnt using the name, and he could buy it from me for $30 usd. He wanted it for FREE - LMAO
I did talk again to Intlibber and told him that I was not going to give it away, since I never got paid for it. Intlibber told me that WJUV shares would soon be restored.
I felt that Tyrian Camilo was only looking to get my domain name to sell it off for a fast profit.
And I was correct. He posted a message where he was going to sell wjuv for 750,000 L$ including my domain name.
Then Bart Heart said that if Tyrian Camilo refused to buy the domain name, that he would be happy to buy it.
After Tyrian Camilo still demanded that he was the owner of the domain name and refused to pay me for it, I sold it to Bart.
I dont get it why Tyrian Camilo would not pay $30 for a 4 letter .com domain name, when the going rate is well over $1000 for a 4 letter name.
Anyway, I cant go a month without being in this newspaper.
Intlibber was once my friend, and now he talks nice to me and then bash me behind my back.
Intlibber has been trying to bash me and my work for many months now. His messages about Central Grid are lies.
Did Intlibber know I was behind WJUV when it started?
Yes he did, read on you will see he admits he know I was helping Monkey with AVC after I left SL.
Does Intlibber act like im some bad guy, scammer?
Yep, but the fact is he has always been doing business with me, and then bad mouth me after the fact. To make himself look good.
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[6/11/2008 11:38:05 PM] Central Grid says: Tyrian Camilo made a deal with Monkey, never with me. He never paid me anything, granger has 50,000 shares. Tyrian was trying to use radio.wjuv.dns.com not radio.wjuv.com - he is a fool. But if the post is not taken off your website I will shut off his radio feed.
[6/11/2008 11:38:33 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: firstly you do NOT try to blackmail me
[6/11/2008 11:38:44 PM] Central Grid says: Im not
[6/11/2008 11:38:46 PM] Central Grid says: lol
[6/11/2008 11:38:55 PM] Central Grid says: Im letting him use it for free
[6/11/2008 11:39:01 PM] Central Grid says: but his lies are not fair
[6/11/2008 11:39:04 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: really? then what did the IPO money pay for?
[6/11/2008 11:39:14 PM] Central Grid says: not the domain name
[6/11/2008 11:39:20 PM] Central Grid says: i let monkey and granger use it free
[6/11/2008 11:39:21 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: thats not what you told me before
[6/11/2008 11:39:39 PM] Central Grid says: there is never any payment to me for the domain name
[6/11/2008 11:39:56 PM] Central Grid says: ask granger who is running the radio out of his house right now, and he has the 50,000 shares not me
[6/11/2008 11:40:19 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: where did the IPO money go to?
[6/11/2008 11:40:29 PM] Central Grid says: to monkey
[6/11/2008 11:40:37 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: and what did he do with it?
[6/11/2008 11:41:01 PM] Central Grid says: you paid the ipo money to someone not to me, it was for the use of the radio as a business with granger
[6/11/2008 11:41:28 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: the only reason I approved that IPO was cause the radio station was an asset of the company
[6/11/2008 11:41:39 PM] Central Grid says: ya not the domain name
[6/11/2008 11:41:46 PM] Central Grid says: the radio is running now
[6/11/2008 11:41:51 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: domain name included
[6/11/2008 11:42:01 PM] Central Grid says: lol never
[6/11/2008 11:42:09 PM] Central Grid says: what proff is there about that
[6/11/2008 11:43:05 PM] Central Grid says: I dont care if he use the name, its fine with me. But to say lies about me is BS
[6/11/2008 11:43:27 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: what are lies?
[6/11/2008 11:44:03 PM] Central Grid says: Mr. Frank Corsi had given his votes through Maltos Sosa in the shareholders meeting
[6/11/2008 11:44:07 PM] Central Grid says: I had no vote
[6/11/2008 11:44:09 PM] Central Grid says: thats a lie
[6/11/2008 11:44:13 PM] Central Grid says: maltos had no shares
[6/11/2008 11:44:34 PM] Central Grid says: maltos was cathy only trying to defend monkey stealing the wjuv and selling it off
[6/11/2008 11:44:37 PM] Central Grid says: remember that
[6/11/2008 11:45:16 PM] Central Grid says: his dns issues is him using the wrong name
[6/11/2008 11:45:34 PM] Central Grid says: and he needs to talk about granger as granger is his partner in this not me
[6/11/2008 11:46:33 PM] Central Grid says: and... maybe it wasnt me talking with the kings account about lost shares in ace. Granger lost shares not me
[6/11/2008 11:46:49 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: I never touched grangers account
[6/11/2008 11:47:05 PM] Central Grid says: he said he talked to you about the shares, he lost
[6/11/2008 11:47:17 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: nope
[6/11/2008 11:47:27 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: shares in what?
[6/11/2008 11:47:39 PM] Central Grid says: he has 50,000 wjuv
[6/11/2008 11:47:44 PM] Central Grid says: plus others
[6/11/2008 11:48:14 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: wjuv has not been restored yet
[6/11/2008 11:48:18 PM] Central Grid says: he was telling people about that
[6/11/2008 11:48:19 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: they are not lost
[6/11/2008 11:48:32 PM] Central Grid says: ok but you stated kings was me and that was false too
[6/11/2008 11:48:39 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: thats what two people have told me
[6/11/2008 11:48:41 PM] Central Grid says: lots of lies... lol
[6/11/2008 11:48:52 PM] Central Grid says: i never had shares at ace
[6/11/2008 11:49:29 PM] Central Grid says: anyway Tyrian can use it all he wants, its fine with me
[6/11/2008 11:49:43 PM] Central Grid says: but im not running the radio stream
[6/11/2008 11:49:46 PM] Central Grid says: granger is
[6/11/2008 11:49:50 PM] Central Grid says: i just own the name
[6/11/2008 11:49:57 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: well granger never had a problem with tyrian either
[6/11/2008 11:50:03 PM] Central Grid says: ya he has
[6/11/2008 11:50:03 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: only one with issues was mike
[6/11/2008 11:50:20 PM] Central Grid says: granger had a deal to get paid to run the radio
[6/11/2008 11:50:27 PM] Central Grid says: and stock that he feels are lost
[6/11/2008 11:50:27 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: he should have come to me about it, cause when I talked to him about the station, he said working for tyrian was fine by him
[6/11/2008 11:50:53 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: what he feels and what are facts are quite different
[6/11/2008 11:50:58 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: we've proven were recovering
[6/11/2008 11:51:02 PM] Central Grid says: i only know granger is mad he lost the shares or whatever and he said he was talking to you about it
[6/11/2008 11:51:18 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: done what all our critics, including those in central grid, said was impossible
[6/11/2008 11:51:25 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: granger has not contacted me
[6/11/2008 11:51:33 PM] Central Grid says: best of luck on the recovery, im not involved in that, i dont have shares
[6/11/2008 11:52:17 PM] Central Grid says: another fact i let monkey use the name to make a radio station
[6/11/2008 11:52:34 PM] Central Grid says: monkey sold it to Tyrian
[6/11/2008 11:52:46 PM] Central Grid says: it was the radio station not a domain name
[6/11/2008 11:53:13 PM] Central Grid says: well im sure you can fix it all with Tyrian I will let him use the name, just kill the message about me and central grid Thanks
[6/11/2008 11:53:41 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: when I see the domains transferred and everybody is happy and working together on the server
[6/11/2008 11:53:55 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: everybodys acting like brats in a sandbox
[6/11/2008 11:54:04 PM] Central Grid says: show me where i got paid for the name
[6/12/2008 12:00:33 AM] IntLibber Brautigan says: the way you represented it to me was you were donating the domain to the project, not lending it
[6/12/2008 4:47:25 PM] Central Grid says: if the project is failed, then I keep the doamin name, not to let him sell it off.
[6/12/2008 4:47:44 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: project isn't failed
[6/12/2008 4:47:52 PM] Central Grid says: this was all to help avc and monkey stole the avc shares and sold them to Ty
[6/12/2008 4:48:18 PM] Central Grid says: he can use the name all he wants, i dont care
[6/12/2008 4:48:56 PM] Central Grid says: hid DNS issues were him using the wrong domain name
[6/12/2008 4:49:05 PM] Central Grid says: he was using radio.wjuv.dns.com
[6/12/2008 4:49:25 PM] Central Grid says: i talked to granger today and he said the stream has been active for 57 days
[6/12/2008 4:49:34 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: ok
[6/12/2008 4:50:25 PM] Central Grid says: i dont plan to take if offline, but if he keeps talking shit about me then i will. I dont want to make trouble for him
[6/12/2008 4:50:46 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: well then work it out and settle it, he tells me you'll sell him the domain
[6/12/2008 4:51:12 PM] Central Grid says: ya granger said to offer it to him for 30 bux and he can do whatever with it
[6/12/2008 4:51:21 PM] Central Grid says: im ok with that too
[6/12/2008 4:51:37 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: ok then settle it
[6/12/2008 4:51:57 PM] Central Grid says: my only problem was te BS on the website, he thinks I had wjuv shares
[6/12/2008 4:52:43 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: ok well I'll check the records, i know you had em at one point, but remembering which avc company you had shares in offhand is difficult atm
[6/12/2008 4:53:17 PM] Central Grid says: maltos never was part of wjuv, she said she bought a few shares but not as an owner or assigned to her
[6/12/2008 4:53:34 PM] IntLibber Brautigan says: ok
Intlibber is the biggest scam man on the face of the earth.
Man, this looks like a Prok Post.
Just saying...
Second Life Consultant
Hello, Jasper.
I'd say I do a fair bit more than 'try.'
"The 50,000 shares of wjuv stock is gone, we cant see any value from that anymore. So the domain name will remain our name."
I would very much take this to mean that you desired compensation BASED on the fact that those 50,000 WJUV shares were deemed gone.
"Once I got pissed off and left SL, Patrick made the call to say this is all CGI assets and nothing was AVC. That was a lie..."
But you DID leave. You threw the company to someone else behind shareholder's backs. You abandoned your shareholders. While I know you and Mike31 Dawes are still thick as thieves and I do personally believe you and Monkey Canning are still quite chummy, that need not factor into my perception of you, sir. You deserted. And while I will hold faith as a humanitarian that there is considerable good in you otherwise, where the exchanges are concerned, I cannot and will not entertain any explanation that does not begin and end with "I abandoned AVC."
Good to meet you by the way. I'll be sure to tell my prim grandkids all about it.
Reply
Your right I see you do try alot harder than most do. Im sorry to jump on your ass. Im just mad at all the people who were on my side before and turned on me after I left.
But I never wanted compensation. So you did assume that, and to spread that false story is wrong.
I did abandoned AVC, since my tier was due that same day and I made a choice to leave and not pay LL tier. So I didnt have much time to stay around since LL was and did kill my account.
"You threw the company to someone else behind shareholder's backs."
I left it with the top shareholder, and president of the company after talking to several other top share holders.
You make it sould like I gave it to anyone off the sreet. LOL
Having revisted this...
My previous comment was a bit terse. I should apologize for it. And I'll amend that now:
"I did abandoned AVC, since my tier was due that same day and I made a choice to leave and not pay LL tier. So I didnt have much time to stay around since LL was and did kill my account.
Thank you for admitting that much. But all of the explanations won't change the act. CEOs have a duty to shareholders that precedes their own interests. I'm not one to shovel a man's nose in it when he comes out and admits his actions, all I can say is that if you're looking for redemption it'd start with helping the AVC shareholders recoup their losses.
"You threw the company to someone else behind shareholder's backs...You make it sould like I gave it to anyone off the sreet. LOL"
Someone on the street might have done better, in hindsight. Again, as you well learned, the top investor isn't necessarily CEO material.
Finally, this part about you trying to stop the WJUV transfer? It's easy to say that now, sir. Where were you at the time? Aldon was on the committee (objectively so), surely he could have passed something along. And despite my feelings on how you handled AVC, I would have noted it. Coming around much much later to say "I tried to stop it" doesn't help anything.
I have no idea if you're as bad as "they" say. I don't listen to "they" too often.
Tyrian's announcement referred to "Frank Corsi's email in full.." with the last line being
"If you want to pay for the lost shares we will transfer it to you." So, I don't see anything to rescind or reinterpret at the moment. You can email me at KonnerMcDonnell@gmail.com if you have information you'd like me to consider in pursuit of my editing that article and including an apology.
I don't feel there's anything further for me to say on this matter, but I would ask people to refrain from turning this into another 'Tizzy slam fest." It's a bit cliche.
Answers
You said
"all I can say is that if you're looking for redemption it'd start with helping the AVC shareholders recoup their losses."
I did... I started ESN and WJUV with monkey, I gave it all to him in the hops to regain the investment for avc. Also when Central Grid Started we invited all avc investors to be the 1st to explore the new world.
Any suggestions on how I can help the AVC members, I will be happy to do it.
Keep in mind avc was trading at 3.75 - 4.50 the day I decieded to quit SL. One investor dumped 1 million shares at market price, caused AVC to drop to .02 - I felt this was a waste of my time,since I was talking to investors who bought at .02 and all they wanted was to sell and buy at .05, so I said im out of here, take all I got.
At one time AVC was 30.00 L$ per share and we did a 3-1 split
I tried with monkey to get avc back up, and investors kept dropping the share price.
Once avc hit .70, people wanted to trade it back at .20
SL Investors for some reason like to trade it low
No - they don't like to
No - they don't like to trade it low. They like a competent CEO in charge who doesn't run off to another project without warning because his bank is failing.
Are you suprised that you experienced such a drastic drop in share price when you annouced your sudden departure, which wasn't really annouced by you at first but posted in some half ass way at VSTEX from a notecard someone recieved? Does anyone else remember the confusion on Jaspers abandonment of SL? What about those minority holders who BOUGHT in good faith at L$3.00+. Did you not have resposibility to them? I'm sure they weren't interested in selling at .05 (well perhaps they were after you up and left, everyone was trying to get anything back that they could).
BTW - when I bought 100K shares in AVC at .27 after you left I WASN'T interested in selling at any price. I was interested in getting involved in the Central Grid and other projects that AVC operated (including WJUV). Had I known that you were involved in Central Grid, or in some twisted way with AVC, or even owned the WJUV website I wouldn't have invested in any of these at all. My understanding was that you were GONE. Disappeared. Bankrupt. There was no disclosure of any of your associations until the news broke in the public. I thought Central Grid was a Monkey venture. I guess I should have done better due diligence.
It's a shame. Central Grid looks like a good project. But what's to say that it won't be abandoned just like SL was? Seeing the way all the other AVC projects and the mamangement associated with them have handled everything I am scared to invest in anything founded from that team.
Clear up questions
Thanks Konner for looking at the facts.
Patrickj was not just the top shareholder, he was the president of cgi, he was and im sure still is a honest man. I feel the pressure from Intlibber to pay his tier and cover his expenses is what caused this mess to happen after I left.
Look at who gained from the mess, It was ONLY intlibber that made money off it all. Patrick didnt make anything, and prob paid out of his pocket more money to keep Intlibber alive over the past few months.
Patrick and I talked daily for maybe 8 months before I left, I felt he was the right man to take over, and be fair to all. Something changed him, and It had to be Intlibber.
The plan was to keep the sims online and collect the rents. Never to sell out the land and boot the renters. Greed is the only factor that I can see is why Intlibber sold it all and left the investors and renters with nothing as he bragged he made off with millions.
I left to work on Central Grid, and plans were to invite the renters into the new grid. But intlibber had other plans. During my startup of Central Grid before I left SL, I offered Patrick and Intlibber umong others FREE sim in the new grid to test and build.
Once Central Grid was open, Intlibber came to me saying that he was promised to be involved, I at 1st said f... off. He then said he would kill any plans to make CG a success. He started with this bull.... Sh..t message.
http://ace-exchange.com/home/story/BNT/149
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Yip Admits to Tizzy Sabotage of BNT
My fellow SLers,
My name is Turkey Yip, some of you might know me, and others won’t. I was working for jasper Tizzy in his company Countless Galaxies. I was his furniture designer, and I turned into his “slave” in a way. Him and I would stand on his rooftops in Talyn, and do “rooftop” trading, as he would call it, with WSE. We would make thousands of L$, and I was too gullible to realize I was being used. He had me doing every dirty job there was, for minimal pay. Then I got into land sales for him. He had me lying and cheating noobs, so they would buy his mainland. Once I sold all his mainland, that was *almost* it with him and I. When I moved to the company BNT as a sales representative, jasper realized he could use me for one more job. He saw I was in with BNT, and was using me for information on how BNT was doing. Then, to piss off IntLibber Brautigan (CEO of BNT Holdings), he had me write an article for his magazine entitled, “Bankruptcy in my BNT?” jasper was secretly trying to destroy the company I was working in, so he could merge with IntLibber, and gain all those profits for his bank. When he realized that the Bankruptcy article wasn’t going over as planned, he had me write an article about IntLibber’s enemy, Maldavius Figtree. Maldavius Figtree worked for IntLibber previously, but fighting over an Orientation Island ruined their relationship. An article entitled “Maldavius = Win” was written, again an attempt to bring down IntLibber and BNT. jasper then realized he could use me to gain profits FROM IntLibber. He would have me give him the employee discount in BNT Holdings (IntLibber allowed up to 15%), and then he would sell the land for more. We did this for awhile, until I resigned BNT for two reasons. The first reason was that the payroll was changed, and it wasn’t exactly worth it. But also, jasper was pushing more, and more. It didn’t feel right because I know how business is in Second Life. I do apologize to IntLibber Brautigan, Kaddan Yue, and all others in BNT. I didn’t mean harm, and for IntLibber’s concerns, I haven’t been talking to Maldavius. He has asked me to become part of his estate again, and sell land, I just nodded my head and “ignored” him. I hope I haven’t caused too much harm, and I hope you understand I am deeply sorry.
Sincerely your Friend,
Turkey Yip
We at BNT greatly appreciate this confession as an expression of true regret and an act of atonement. It takes a lot of maturity to make such a confession, and we appreciate Turkey being forthright about doing the right thing here. If more people tried to do the right thing SL would be a much nicer place.
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SO I caved into his shi...t and let him come into CG. He made several news announcements that he was part of central grid from the startup, and how happy he was to be the 1st exchange in another virtual world.
After many months of him being theree for FREE, we requested him to start to pay tier fees like everone else was doing. He kept telling me he was trying to get money and he was behind on bills. So eventualy we kicked him out, then the shi..t started all over again. He was due April 1st, we gave him till the 20th and Kicked him out.
Now look at his attacks. And you can now see how many LIES he has in this. Knowinf from the start It was Me doing ESN WJUV and Central Grid.
http://ace-exchange.com/home/story/SLIBRE/371
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BNT/ACE Pulling Out of Central Grid
We have over the past several months grown increasingly concerned with the trustworthiness of the people running Central Grid. Several members of CG management have engaged in libelous slander against BNT, ACE, their CEO, and our shareholders on a number of occasions, colluded with individuals who have committed fraud against ourselves and other residents of SL.
For this reason, we simply cannot trust these individuals to manage such an important project as CG aspires to become, and therefore will no longer support it.
"To be custodian of such an important project as creating a grid of grids demands a high degree of impartiality and ethics," CEO IntLibber Brautigan said today, "Several members of the CG team have displayed very poor ethics on several occasions which we cannot countenance."
Where Linden Lab is often accused by its critics of being unfair and biased, the CG management has openly committed such acts. Beyond slander and libel and collusion with saboteurs, they openly, as individuals, monopolize grid locations for personal benefit. We are extremely leery of holding any virtual currency in a grid managed by the likes of Jasper Tizzy.
Beyond all this, they simply do not provide any value added, such as making an effort to provide better inventory porting tools to protect user inventory between updates, provide better physics, etc. over that offered to anybody using OpenSim. At the same time they presume to dictate who can and cannot connect to "their" grid.
A grid of grids cannot be biased against who connects to it. If the internet had behaved that way, it would not become what it has. For CG to behave this way signals that it is not serious about becoming a true intergrid.
We at BNT understand this, which is why in the near future we will be pursuing developing a competitive service with others in a cooperative manner that speaks to the true open style of the internet, making a true 3d intergrid that people want to be in.
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He threatened us with a new grid to compete with us. LMAO he tried, but he never could get opensim to run.
We dont deveop the software, we only use what Opensim has offered to anyone, so his BS about a better inventory and whatever... is all Opensim issues at that time.
God I hate the drama, but its about time people can see the true facts about all this mess. And who has been the true scammer of avc and many others.
Yeah....
It wasn't a favor, Frank. As a writer I have to TRY to look at all sides. As a human, I have t accept that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Personally, I do not like you. I've read enough logs and articles to say that my opinion is well-informed. I'm tired of these ninety page explanations of what you intended to do.
You abandoned AVC. Nothing will change that. And no fact or explanation can change it. No explanation will justify it.
What should you do?
One of two things:
1. Pony up the dough and repay the shareholders you abandoned
or
2. What history would suggest you do well: Disappear. The exchanges will never forget you. But we are moving beyond you. Whatever contempt investors may have for you is, in my opinion, well deserved.
Where my writing on Y2P is concerned, my goal is to pinpoint current problems in finance with a hope of helping exchanges knuckle down and shareholders smarten up. To do that, I do as I've suggested others should: Remember the past, appreciate the present, be wary of the future. Where you are concerned, your past is well-documented. Your present is on central grid. And if I have my say, your future will not involve second life. No matter what your reasons. You had your chance. You made your decisions. You blew it. Each time a new "Frank Corsi" explanation of "The Truth behind AVC" appears, it's just that much more insulting to the investors you abandoned.
Endless debates about what you meant to do or who was more wrong are of no interest to me. You abandoned AVC. You admit that. I have no further interest in you unless(I should say until) you pose a clear future threat.
If facts compel me to change the wording of my article, it'd be changed to "Pay me 30 dollars." Then I'd have to explain how you apparently went back on that arrangement to sell it to Bart. Or did you sell it to Bart because he offered more money? I do not know. For Bart it looks good because he's going to help AVC shreholders. For you, it'd mean that an act that further hinders WJUV shareholders. But I have very serious doubts anything you could produce would lead me to edit my article. My offer, however, stands. As it must.
I'm going to cease now. I don't have alot of interest in endless back and forths. You've admitted you abandoned AVC. It doesn't matter why. There's nothing for me to consider or argue.
Unless Nobody Fugazi decides to intervene, comments will remain open for all to inject their opinion and accusations.
Best,
KM
OMG Your a FOOL!!!
I never disapeared, LL deleted my account for not paying LL tier.
I have been yelling ever since. Where have you been. Did you read the postings I made here. I was at the CGI / AVC meetings in SL yelling this is not fair, AVC was the owner of all the land not CGI, and people laugh away.
You cant see the light....
Pony up, what? Back at WSE when AVC had IPO, it was 1 million L$ and most went to my friends. Who sold it at 20 - 30 L$
Are you talking about the people who bought the shares for .02 and started to keep AVC at under .10 ?? Or Xavier who crashed the stock? I did return to Xavier the 2 sims he traded for the shares, and I paid the tier on them and paid to return them to him. And he still kept the avc shares. LMAO get a grip dude your not too educated on the FACTS.
Many people made alot from me. Your too blind to see the truth about it all.
Sad to see you act this way.. LOL You are part of the problem. You spread false statements.
You was not even in SL when this was going on. You have no clue exept what you read
Frank,Perhaps if you were
Frank,
HAHAHA! LL deleted your account because you CHOSE not to pay the tier!
I WAS in SL. I remember all the drama. Perhaps if you were more transparent from the beginning and communicated a clear idea of where you were going, what entity owned what, and who was to succeed you and how there wouldn't have been a need for all this fact finding and reading. This is the first I've ever seen you address this at all. AVC and CGI went into full panic and recovery mode after you left, not something usually done by a company that had its stuff together.
My concern here is not for your "friends" that sold at L$20 a share. Its for the buyers, who I guess were not your "friends", that bought onto the AVC merry go round at L$20 as share and subsequently lost thier ass. That and the bank depositors. Many people made money off you. Many more lost from your actions.
How could you expect the stock to trade high with everything that went on.
Bottom line - Had you not run off, paid the tier, and taken a month to settle your accounts and business holdings clearly and in the public this conversation would not need to be held. You made a choice to leave. You said that. This is a direct ramification of your departure.
What I know now and what was done back then....
I see you are getting the point, but I didnt have time to plan too much. The AVC crashed when Xavier dumped shares and dropped avc to .02, I was in England selling a datacenter I had there.
I talked to Pat in skype like 12 hrs a day, he knew what was going on.
I did decide to leave SL and let Pat take over. I did sell off land to pay back many bank customers. I left all the rented land to continue on with. This was agreed by Pat and myself. Cut the overhead back and pay down bank debt.
I had 2 days to make the plan, and I thought it was all going to stay running, and I leave and Pat will continue.
Maybe that would have been the case, if Intlibber wasnt in the hole and needed money badly.
This from Sl-Newspaper sept 30
"Here is what IntLibber Brautigan, CEO of BNT, has to say about how it came about. “Madelena Rossini had gotten Jasper to propose a merger, back when most people other than myself had no clue what BNTs finances were and people thought we were in financial trouble. Jasper thought then that BNT would be merged into CGI, not the other way around, and that probably would have been the case if he had not kept up his irresponsible policy of no withdrawal limits during the banking crisis. After the public had drained L$10 million from The Bank, it was a different story. We had discussed it a bit more, but then he left and Patrickj Ah took over and he and I negotiated and completed the deal we have today.”
Intlibber said in his own words - "I negotiated and completed the deal we have today"
Madelena knew BNT was failing bad, she collected tier payments and if you look at what he said, he admits he was in trouble.
"and that probably would have been the case if he had not kept up his irresponsible policy of no withdrawal limits during the banking crisis"
Look past the Bull, and see the facts, I did hand off AVC and CGI to the president and top shareholder. Then Intlibber put the pressure on him to give it all to BNT and say AVC has nothing it was all in BNT group.
LOL that was the problem right there. And I have been yelling this ever since I left.
Take your version of the truth
and shove it, sir.
"You was not even in SL when this was going on. You have no clue exept what you read"
Were not. And if you're discounting literature as a valid source of information, then stop writing.
"Sad to see you act this way.. LOL You are part of the problem. You spread false statements."
Just because it's not told how you want it to be told does not make it false.
I don't care what you did after you dumped the company. I don't care what you did before. All I need to know where AVC is concerned, is that you dumped it. I could give a damn as to why. Or what claims you want to make about "the long arm of Frank Corsi" to protect the shareholders you abandoned in the end. Didn't you move on central grid, "Mr. Grid?" If I am a fool and people in SL are misguided, all your lofty explanations and slippery tactics won't change it. Save your garbage for someone else.
When I say I'm done with someone, I'm done with them. And I'm done with you -until you attempt some grand return to SL businesses(and I've no doubt you're still in the game). If you have a complaint, see Nobody Fugazi. If you don't think your story is being told correctly, go see Aldon. Done. Move along.
Ciao.
I was a kid once in college too..
Maybe you can grow up and look back at this someday and say damm maybe frank was right.
Read this Konner
http://sl-newspaper-bnc.blogspot.com/2007/09/weekly-business-review-30-s...
I was yelling back on Sep 29 about the way the change was going. Not as I planed, but what Intlibber and Patrickj decided.
Maybe if you was IN SL yourself, you would know all the facts.
Like I wanted my 50,000 shares of WJUV, you made that up too.
Anonymous2
This is a good conversation. Three cheers to both of you.
Now if LukeConnell would chime in it would be a great Sunday. Has anyone noticed that the WSElive website is down? I get a
error. Maybe a development in the making?
Yep
The WSE website is down and has been down for at least twelve hours. What that means, I don't know. But it is being watched.
If you ever knew Jasper Tizzy
Maybe if you ever knew me, you would understand me alot better.
I had a bank, owned by AVC a public company in SL at vstex.
I left SL and gave all my assets to PatrickJ AH the man who was the top shareholder and president of my CGI land management company.
I had 2 public companies, one was the AVC that owned the bank, the other was CGI that handled my land rental business.
I had all the land rentals in the CGI group in SL since all my renters had to be in one group, i was maxed out on groups and this was a great way to keep people out of the bank with access to move and place items.
Once I got pissed off and left SL, Patrick made the call to say this is all CGI assets and nothing was AVC. That was a lie, he knew it was all purchased with bank money and was rented under CGI group. Think about it... 28 mainland sims, where did the money come from? The 1 million L$ CGI IPO? or the Millions of deposits in the bank?
The issue at the time was this. Intlibber was about to crash and burn, he scammed over tavi tuck his partner in BNT, she basicly lost her ass and he thought he would loose all his land to her, since she paid for it all. SO he bought a bunch of sims and called it Ancap... whatever its called LOL and then he couldnt pay tier on it all.
I was going to buy him out, merge all his land into the CGI group and continue to rent that land as I was doing with my other land.
Now when I quit SL, I was no longer going to do that deal. But... Patrickj was on the board of BNT, and a member of SLEC (intlibber;s stock exchange thing) SO pat and Intlibber made a deal... To basicly say all the land in the cgi group was not AVC. Then they sold off all the land, auto return on all the renters who paid rent for homes, stores and land.
He admited that he sold the land and used the funds to start ACE exchange.
QUOTE: http://ace-exchange.com/home/story/bnt/8
Proceeds of this liquidation amounted to approximately 1.6 million L$ at an average price of 6.5 L$ per square meter, slightly above SL average sale prices for the month. Capital from these sales went into several major projects of BNT: The Ancapistan Capital Exchange and http://www.ancapex.net, as well as the complete revamping, replacement, and rebranding of My Second Bank into BNT Financial (http://www.bntfinancial.com), as well as the further development of bntholdings.com, and the merger of Global Credit into BNT.
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And.. if you believe that your a fool too, he had sold alot more land than he claimed there. aprox 6-7 million L$ he made.
Does Jasper Tizzy run off with anything? Hell no!
I know all the talk about me after I left was Bull SH...
I didnt pay LL tier fee so the people could get the money I had in SL, so LL canceled my account. Intlibber said in one news report:
WUOTE from - http://metanetworknews.tv/content/view/76/51/
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On September 30, 2007 Intlibber Brautigan is quoted as saying "Jasper thought then that BNT would be merged into CGI, not the other way around, and that probably would have been the case if he had not kept up his irresponsible policy of no withdrawal limits during the banking crisis. After the public had drained L$10 million from The Bank, it was a different story. We had discussed it a bit more, but then he left and Patrickj Ah took over and he and I negotiated and completed the deal we have today." http://sl-newspaper-bnc.blogspot.com/2007/09/weekly-business-review-30-s... This we consider an admission that assets of The Bank/AVC and CGI were considered linked and therefore CGI land bought with money invested in The Bank was the property of AVC investors. Also please note even Mr. Brautigan admits that Jasper Tizzy didn't receive money but the public did. Mr. Tizzy didn't consider people withdrawing their own money as a drain.
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"drained L$10 million from The Bank"
I called that letting customers withdraw funds before I left.
The real scammer is Intlibber, and always has been. I had about 4 sims in total of alot of parcels all over BNT estates, that was lost and shareholders got jack from it all. Even Wenden and his magazine had pre paid ads totaling about 180,000 L$ when I left, opps i guess he gets to keep that too. Again Intlibber's team mate. Now with a stock on ACE
Many people in SL said they lost money with me, but the truth is they got paid, and many never had a L$ lost at all, they all wanted to collect on the Rock Insurance. LOL Yep I told people to go and get a piece of the Rock, then I kept telling Rock I was not going to quit. Why did I do that. Rock was a BS insurance he didnt require proof about accounts, so he paid out to people that didnt have accounts. I asked many times how can Rock give insurance without knowing if they had an account or not... LOL
My story is clear, I left with nothing from SL and Patrickj gave it all to Intlibber to save his ass. I guess thats what friends do for each other.
As for Monkey...
After Pat said he didnt want AVC, my account was not canceled yet and i did login and add Monkey as an owner of AVC. I knew he would be able to help the people. And he did.
I helped Monkey via Email or SKYPE to get a few things going to help him make something for the AVC people.
When I told Monkey that Granger would help him start a radio station to raise money from ads, I allowed him to use wjuv.com once a real internet2 radio station for several years. I never sold anyone the name, and when Monkey got fed up with the investors constantly selling off shares cheap and he could not get ahead with them, he ran to dump what he had. Then he was a bad guy.. LOL
Tyrian who I have been told many times is aprox 15-16 yrs old, came along to buy WJUV from Monkey. He never took the time to see what he was buying, he was in a big hurry for some reason. Mike31 ran to me asap and told me that Monkey was doing it. I ran on skype to tell Intlibber to stop the sale that WJUV was avc not for monkey to sell. Intlibber told me to get vstex to hault avc for investigation and then he would stop the sale. Mike31 did get vstex to do that, but.... Intlibber already made the sale with Tyrian. You know that Im sure.
Now many many months later, wjuv is still running using my domain name still. ACE lost all the wjuv shares and Granger never could sell his shares since Intlibber had him locked.. Now the shares are where? Lost. My opinion is he said he lost the database to stop the drain of cash, and give him time to catch up.
My point in my message to Tyrian about the value of the shares are gone, was Granger lost out on the work he did to make wjuv and keep it running.
SO many times people twist the story, or if you are a fool to listen to anything from Intlibber your not going to repeat the true story.
Bart Heart has and will be a good friend to me. He knows me better than most do, and he knows I never scammed anyone.
Anmyway, if you want more details from me. I can tell you the real story. Not the garbage people say about me.
Peace!
Frank Corsi - thief
Frank Corsi,
You are a thief and a liar and you owe me $L500,000 that I had deposited with The Bank. I requested this money from you and you refused to pay it. You are a disgrace to humanity.
Bank funds
Whether or not you decided to leave or got pushed out my sl you had an obligation to people that had money in your bank. You can't just push it all on someone else and let the people who have money in your bank deal with trying to get the money back. I had over 100K left in your bank with no warning to take it out. I want my MONEY BACK!!!!!! check your database thing and look for Kobe24 Losangeles and you will see!!!
You think
I looked in the old bank database and found 2 people had 500k balance, and Anonymous was not one of them.
One was another bank and one was Svere Ireton. Are you the bank or Svere Ireton?
I know Svere Ireton got 300k back the day I left.
Did you make a claim against the million of L$ Intlibber sold off my assets for?
Did you vote for the BNT merger?
Maybe you didnt have any money in the bank, or just not 500K.
My Funds
I had over 100K in your bank when it went under, you had an obligation to people that had deposits in your bank whether you think you did or not. As of the middle of August you were promoting your new card coming out and somone asked you a question and you said something like anyone that banks with us knows that "The Bank" is FAR from crashing. I want to be paid my money by you, not all these other people you say has my money
Reply
The bank was owned by AVC, and AVC was fine until one guy dumped shares to .02
I left all the assets to be used by AVC, if they were to be sold then all would get a piece of that. But as you can maybe read here. It was all sold and Intlibber was able to keep all the money.
Did you get anything from the sale of the assets I left behind?
You were there, and didnt manage to get anything, and Intlibber got a
few million L$.
How could that be?? Did you think the bank was using the deposits to buy land, then use the rental income to pay interest? Yes you did.
So why did you allow Intlibber to take it all???
BTW Kobe your balance was 84801
I just read your chat log with Jasper
You made a 50k deposit then another 25k deposit, and the rest of your balance was interest. All in aprox July 24th time frame.
I asked you several time if you wanted the interest added to the next CD and you sometimes did and sometimes took the interest.
You said in a few months you would like to get to 100k, but you never did.
You wanted to be a ceo in one of my ventures Latin Bank also. But you didnt know spanish.