I haven't yet met a Linen I've taken a dislike to, although there are many I haven't met. I talk to some more than others, I used to go to Catherine Linden's office hour when she held one and always found her to be witty and approachable.
However, the latest trademark blog which was apparently rumoured to be an answer to community concerns, manages to answer absolutely nothing and just adds further confusion. This is quite a feat really when you consider how many questions were being asked, everything has been ignored. Instead of answering, the majority of points have merely been given a bold heading and simplified.
I find it most concerning however when I read statements like this:
2. Can I discuss the Second Life world on my website?
Of course! You can — and should — call our products and services by their names. For instance, it’s ok to say you’re “running a business in the Second Life world” or that you bought “Linden dollars through the LindeX exchange.”"
This is what initially concerned me, I then decided I'd got the wrong end of the stick, now I'm not so sure I have. There's no way on earth that Linden Lab should be insisting that every single reference to their world or product has to be referenced in such a manner, it's completely absurd.
If you're advertising inworld business or services then fair enough, if you're merely talking about Second Life, I'm sorry, but it's absolute balderdash to insist that references must be made in this fashion. Information Week won't be doing it, Scoble won't be doing it, the mainstream press won't be doing it, so why the heck are the residents expected to do it?
Then we come to SL, an acronym that somehow Linden Lab believe should belong only to them. My own blog uses these initials, named after my sister who has the initials SL, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I read the fansite conditions, I didn't use a domain with Second Life in the name, I see no reason however why anyone can't use SL, especially as other domains not only already use it, they use a logo with SL in the title. This is just simply absurd.
As for the inSL logo, I can see the logic there, however why they can't make a logo with inSecond Life in the banner is beyond me, Microsoft don't want people to refer to their product as MS.
Second Life and Linden Lab do need to protect their trademarks. Those people who created domains that were in breach of the previous guidelines, I feel for you but you're in the wrong. Those who now find themselves in breach of guidelines, you're damn right to be annoyed. Moving the goalposts is never good, especially when it's done in such a cack handed fashion.
I'm disappointed that someone as articulate as Catherine Linden has produced a blog that has merely fanned the flames instead of addressing the issues. The first issue for Catherine and Linden Lab to address is in terms of common sense, please acquire some.
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Balderdash!
You are completely correct. I am an admin of a popular SL forum and I set it up to autoreplace all occurances of "Second Life" "SL" "Linden Labs" with the appropriate "Second Life®" etc. Seems to be working ok and is not encumbering to the users. The fact of the matter is they simply can't enforce this, there is no precedent for it. Fair use law allows for news related or personal use of trademarks so long as you are not using it for commercial purposes. http://fairusenetwork.org/reference/tm-fe.php
Oh, FFS®, LL©®™!
I agree, there is no reasonable way they're going to be able to enforce this. If the purpose is to give LL recourse in the event of blatant abuse and/or misrepresentation, I can certainly understand. But if it comes down to targeting individual users, LL will only end up punching itself in the eye repeatedly from a PR perspective. The last thing you want to do is alienate the very base who represent your bread and butter, and who make possible your viability as a publicly-traded company.
As for the two-noun policy, I'm guessing this means calling yourself "the SL Jesus" is forbidden, but being "SL Jesus Christ" is acceptable. (See also "SL Farmer" vs. "SL Ad Farmer".)
Where's Jon Stewart when you need him?
I don't write much,
I don't write much, but I don't want to write on a weblog where the "Guidelines for Proper Reference to Linden Lab's Brand Names in Text" are not followed.
Most bloggers are doing as much as possible (and as much as they understand them), to follow the guidelines, some even adding disclaimers etc.
Common sense
I had already followed the guidelines as laid out in the fansite kit. I have a disclaimer on my blog but when you hold your residents to a higher standard than non residents it seems silly, especially when the mainstream media don't do it.
For example you will find article after article about Microsoft, but journalists don't put trademark symbols all over the place, or place nouns here and there.
If I'm marketing a product or service on the back of their product, it's in my own interests to ensure I cross every t and dot every i to comply, but if I just want to tell people about the lovely sunset in Second Life, is it really necessary for me to put "In the Second Life World" everytime I make such a reference?
Strike
I still don't want to write on a weblog where the "Guidelines for Proper Reference to Linden Lab's Brand Names in Text" are not followed.
For me that's the right decision.
My take on the whole situation is somewhat similiar, to probably my favorite blogger of them all, Kit Meredith. I do also think Gwyneth has gone about it in the right way, with a 3 day strike. I can't say I've read much of her, but probably will start.
I do like reading your posts Ciaran, so I hope you don't take this personally, (or anyone else), I'm just doing what's right for me.
Oh I see how you are
You can disagree with me Alan, it would be boring if we all agreed and I take no offence at that but you'll find that Gwyneth agrees with me on this issue and that's why she's on strike :P, one of the reason's she's is on strike is about having to use the correct references in text, but heck I guess I'm not as pretty as Gwyn hey :)
Kit appears to be sitting on my side of the fence on this as well Alan....I'm noticing a pattern here you know :p
Also I think you may have picked something up incorrectly if you think the intention here is to refuse to comply with Linden Lab's policy, Nobody has included the good faith disclaimer but that doesn't excuse us from trying to comply with policy, it's merely an indication that if someone (and it could be someone commenting)doesn't quite get the references correct, no harm was intended.
Yes
Yes your right, I don't think I've read anywhere about anyone liking to have to follow the guidelines.
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Site borkiness led to duplicate reply, sorry.
strike
I still don't want to write on a weblog where the "Guidelines for Proper Reference to Linden Lab's Brand Names in Text" are not followed.
For me that's the right decision.
My take on the whole situation is somewhat similiar, to probably my favorite blogger of them all, Kit Meredith. I do also think Gwyneth has gone about it in the right way, with a 3 day strike. I can't say I've read much of her, but probably will start.
I do like reading your posts Ciaran, so I hope you don't take this personally, (or anyone else), I'm just doing what's right for me.
Well, everyone is trying to follow the guidelines...
But it really is a bit much for most people to follow to the letter. Thus, I made note that we follow the spirit and that we have avenues for them to contact us should we step on a landmine.
Most of the scary aspects of this can be quickly dealt with once there are clear lines of communication - something that Linden Lab is notorious for.
Besides, there are other virtual worlds that will end up doing similar things. This is, in a way, a negotiation between virtual world users everywhere and virtual world providers. And that is very noteworthy.
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