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Hello! I was unable to attend Jack's office hours but Timo Daehlie was able to and take notes for anyone that missed it. It's a good read and a great office hour. It answered a few questions concerning the Bay City sims, and dealing with 16 meter lots. One point I really liked was that now when they get a 16 meter lot, it's offered to the surrounding parcels before its sold to the general public. That will save a lot of mainland. But anyways here it is, and the "you" in the conversation is Timo. Thanks Timo for letting me share this!

[13:01] Talarus Luan: Greetings, Jack. :)
[13:01] Jack Linden: hey folks!
[13:01] Shaira Babii: hi
[13:01] You: aloha ;)
[13:01] Klaatu Congrejo: Hey Jack
[13:01] Bino Arbuckle: Got me, we could all be clinically dead and our brains are in the matrix, and then we are in SL again...
[13:01] Bino Arbuckle: The 13th Floor of Life
[13:01] Jack Linden: is this music feed working?
[13:01] Klaatu Congrejo: ha ha
[13:01] Jack Linden: i'm not hearing it
[13:02] You: me neither
[13:02] Shaira Babii: take a big chair Talarus
[13:02] Klaatu Congrejo: Yeah hear it Jak, but turned it off.
[13:02] Klaatu Congrejo: *Jack
[13:02] Bino Arbuckle: I hear it
[13:02] Talarus Luan: Is OK. I prefer to stand. Human chairs are not kind to wings and tails. :)
[13:02] Jack Linden: hmm odd. thanks
[13:02] Jack Linden: so how are things with you guys?
[13:03] Shaira Babii: things are better
[13:03] You: well survided the shock of dropping mainland prices so not bad after all
[13:03] Talarus Luan: Preparations for the War effort are underway. Other than that, going as well as can be expected, considering the asset server makes building difficult
[13:03] Shaira Babii: :-)
[13:03] Bino Arbuckle: Yes... Bay City is nice when you can load it up :-)
[13:03] Jack Linden: yes, been a tough few days.
[13:04] Talarus Luan: *week
[13:04] Talarus Luan: *weeks
[13:04] Jack Linden: :)
[13:04] Klaatu Congrejo: Any final resolution in sight re: asset server probs?
[13:05] Jack Linden: well, lots of forward progress and plenty being done to fix it longer term. not my specific area so i don't know all the details, but Ian is excellent - he and his team will bash it into submission
[13:05] Jack Linden: the asset server is super huge now
[13:05] Jack Linden: you people keep making stuff :)
[13:06] Klaatu Congrejo: he he, maybe they not kicking the right spots!
[13:06] Jack Linden: perhaps!
[13:06] Talarus Luan: I promise, we will stop it someday. :P
[13:06] Jack Linden: serving up so much streamed content to so many people, live, is pretty tough on DBs
[13:07] Talarus Luan: caching solutions 4tw ;)
[13:07] Klaatu Congrejo: No, we'll never stop!
[13:07] Jack Linden: hehe
[13:07] Klaatu Congrejo: Gotta stretch those servers to the limits!
[13:08] Jack Linden: hi Ivy
[13:08] Jack Linden: welcome
[13:08] Ivy Lane: hello
[13:08] Talarus Luan: If you add more space, we must fill it with something.. kind of a waste otherwise.
[13:08] Jack Linden: agreed!
[13:08] Jack Linden: hi Able
[13:08] Able Whitman: howdy, jack!
[13:08] Klaatu Congrejo: Like a vacuum huh Talarus, it just keeps sucking us in!
[13:08] Jack Linden: anyone have a specific something they want to talk about?
[13:09] Klaatu Congrejo: I have a particular gripe about adfarmers and landcutters.
[13:09] Talarus Luan: Well, the same tired old subject of adfarms / small plot extortion. Any more work towards more policy solutions?
[13:09] Able Whitman: Actually, I was wondering if there would ever be the possibility of buying openspace sims without first having to be an island owner.
[13:09] Bino Arbuckle: Good question, Able
[13:09] Jack Linden: no progress since last week Talarus, most of our energies have been on grid issues and the new land store
[13:09] Talarus Luan: Yep. Figured. ;)
[13:10] Bri Gufler: Hi everyone
[13:10] Able Whitman: I understand that one of the benefits of being an estate owner is concierge suppoty, but I would be more than happy to forego that level of suppoty if it meant I could buy an openspace from LL rather than renting it.
[13:10] Able Whitman: concierge support*
[13:10] Jack Linden: Able, we've no plans for that right now but it may be that we look at other products to make owning land easier
[13:11] Able Whitman: Okay, I'm glad that you're at least open to the possibility :)
[13:11] Jack Linden: understood Able. openspaces were specifically created to allow island owners to have the kind of open space that gov linden has on the mainland
[13:11] Jack Linden: it was never intended as 'cheap island' but as a way to allow for desert or ocean
[13:11] Jack Linden: we may revisit that, there are a lot of people who would like something of that sort
[13:12] Able Whitman: I understand, and I appreciate that LL doesn't address and performance issues that arise from openspace sim usage, but I still think that even at the reduced performance and prim count they make a very attractive price point for people who would like a home with the privacy of an island but without the higher costs.
[13:12] Jack Linden: Mono may allow openspaces to perform a lot better too, so that may affect our thinking there
[13:13] Bino Arbuckle: I've got 2 questions... [1] How do I report litter on Linden land in themed mainland sims such as Boardman / De Haro etc? and [2] When are the Bay City parcels going up for auction?
[13:13] Able Whitman: Thanks, that's encouraging to know, Jack.
[13:13] Jack Linden: Bino.. oddly enough, you can tell me - i still shepherd the old linden zoned mainland
[13:14] Bino Arbuckle: Had a feeling but since I am here, figured I'd ask
[13:14] Jack Linden: bay city auctions should happen early next week
[13:14] Jack Linden: probably monday
[13:14] Jack Linden: we've had so much interest it has been amazing
[13:15] Jack Linden: )it's ironic that my resident alt will probably never be able to afford land in boardman hehe)
[13:15] Talarus Luan: I do have one question about lead time to reclaiming and auctioning land. There is quite a bit of land in my home sim which seems to be owned by dead accounts. I have a ticket in for you all to look at it, but it has been 3 weeks, and all I have gotten back so far is an apology for taking too long two weeks ago.
[13:15] Jack Linden: always been such a great areas
[13:15] Jack Linden: *area
[13:15] Talarus Luan: I was mainly curious about what the normal turnaorund is for the general reclamation process
[13:16] Jack Linden: Talarus, i know it's not as quick as we'd like but we have thousands of parcels like that each quarter, it's ahuge task
[13:16] Jack Linden: we will get to them
[13:16] Talarus Luan: Would there be a way to prioritize them by resident interest somehow?
[13:16] Jack Linden: it varies. we nturally address some before others. for example, someone that was banned or suspended, we would deal with quicker
[13:16] Klaatu Congrejo: How is 'dead' account defined Jack. Sorry to be naive about this.
[13:17] Jack Linden: larger parcels tend to get recycled more quickly too
[13:17] Talarus Luan: I'm reclaiming a lot of adplots and small junk plots that someone played with a year or more ago, and hasn't been seen since.
[13:17] Shaira Babii: can it be some standard permission on land in maintenance, some have red borders and some is open sandboxes
[13:17] Talarus Luan: People who aren't paying anymore :)
[13:17] Jack Linden: Klaatu.. many ways. banned, left, stopped paying (so defunct), tiered down but still held the land, group land where they lack the contributions they need.. etc
[13:19] Klaatu Congrejo: OK. And is there some way to stop these 'abandoned' lands being turned into adfarms, as seems to happen so often.
[13:19] Talarus Luan: Well, before they can be turned into adfarms they have to be auctioned or otherwise transferred to someone else to be sold
[13:20] Jack Linden: it used to be that 16m parcels would be set for sale and left for residents to grab as they found them,but we stopped doing that
[13:20] Bino Arbuckle: Unless of course these are older plots with no autoreturn and the adfarmers have just squatted...
[13:20] Jack Linden: these days we ping the parcel owners that border the 16m parcel first. if they don't reply within a week, then we may set it for open sale
[13:20] Sabina Stenvaag: woww--i like that!
[13:20] Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, that seems to happen too often Bino.
[13:20] Talarus Luan: I just want to get rid of the junk plots which are defunct. I am an active user. I can use the land. I can make it useful to other people. However, right now, it sits there with junk or ugly ad prims on it, annoying everyone who DOES live, work, and play nearby.
[13:21] Jack Linden: throw me a list Talarus, i'l lmake sure it's on our GIANT list of such parcels hehe
[13:21] Talarus Luan: I have a bunch of small Gov Linden 16s around me, but I don't meet the "3-sides" rule for most of them.
[13:22] Klaatu Congrejo: OK, I'll add a couple to that list too Jack, he he
[13:22] Talarus Luan: It might be easier to have someone just come to the sim and catalog.
[13:22] Bino Arbuckle: What is the process for requesting reclamation of land... Talarus said they had a ticket, is that JIRA, or some other request type?
[13:22] Talarus Luan: I'll give you my strategy list for my home sim.
[13:22] Jack Linden: Bino. the suppo portal
[13:22] Talarus Luan: Support portal
[13:22] Jack Linden: there is a land tcket type
[13:23] Bino Arbuckle: Thanks, I am going to be familiarizing myself with the Support Portal I am sure :-)
[13:23] Jack Linden: but do include parcel name and coordinates. and region name. it's amazig how many people forget to tell us which region t is i
[13:23] Shaira Babii: :-)
[13:24] Talarus Luan: Yeah, I did that accidentally. I put in the coords, but forgot to put in the region :-/
[13:24] Bino Arbuckle: Perhaps that Landmachine.com place can index the sim for you?
[13:24] Jack Linden: hehe
[13:24] Talarus Luan: Yes, even Divine Dragons have brainfarts. :-/
[13:24] You: +10 talarus ;)))
[13:25] Klaatu Congrejo: ha ha Talarus
[13:25] Talarus Luan: It might help if region was a separate field from coordinates.
[13:25] Jack Linden ods
[13:25] Jack Linden nods
[13:25] Talarus Luan: It is easy to type in a bunch of coords, forget to type the region, then when double-checking overlooking the omission because the field is non-empty.
[13:27] Bri Gufler: Is there a place where we can download terrain raw files for the "default" new region configurations (i.e. types 1-4)? I looked all over the web site and wiki but couldn't find them?
[13:28] Jack Linden: ooh, that is a great question. are you a concierge customer?
[13:28] Bri Gufler: Yes I am. I have 2 sims.
[13:28] Jack Linden: if you call concierge they can send them to you
[13:29] Bri Gufler: Excellent. I will do that thanks.
[13:30] Bri Gufler: Has any thought been given to making them available for download? I bet lots of people would want to use them as "starter" files. Or is that something you prefer to keep "closed".
[13:30] Jack Linden: no, we could easily do that
[13:30] Talarus Luan: Yeha, I think those should be on the Wiki somewhere
[13:30] Jack Linden writes note to self
[13:30] Bri Gufler: Thanks. I think it would be useful. I have 2 of them. But I would prefer not to buy two more sims today just to get the others :)
[13:31] Klaatu Congrejo: Cool. I'd be interested in that too .
[13:32] Jack Linden: we've an internal project around providing more variety too, i'd like us to do special terrains such as valentines day or st patricks
[13:32] Jack Linden: and put those up on the websote
[13:32] You: jack .. we talked about adfarms before and despite the new policy it reduced some, but you are aware of cutters getting smarter and still are using the mainland to extort other people ? we are talking bout a small group but still very active inworld and a pain in the ass to thousands
[13:32] Talarus Luan: Maybe you can encourage folks to toss up some free ones of their own, too :)
[13:32] Bri Gufler: That would be fun! Also if the wiki page were editable - people could contribute their own designs too
[13:32] Jack Linden: i'd also like to provide a 4 region 8 and 12 region sized set
[13:32] Bino Arbuckle: Hehe, like the old sun/moon textures :-)
[13:32] Jack Linden: Talarus.. hm.. maybe a competition?
[13:33] Jack Linden: I could send some swag to the winner
[13:33] Talarus Luan: May be. :)
[13:33] Bri Gufler: A competition would be fun.
[13:33] Jack Linden: yes bino, i miss those
[13:33] Bri Gufler: Heck - just provide a forum for people to post free designs would be interesting too.
[13:33] Jack Linden: Bri: totally. we could easily do that.. *more notes to self*
[13:34] Bri Gufler: I doubt that mine would be very exciting to others - but they could be useful as a starting point if someone wanted something similar.
[13:34] Bri Gufler: Tools like Backhoe on the mac make it pretty easy to play with RAW files.
[13:34] Able Whitman: it would be nice if they could also contribute land texture sets to go along with their region RAW files
[13:34] Bri Gufler: Ah good idea Able!
[13:34] Jack Linden: we use WorldMachine outselves, and Photoshop
[13:35] Bri Gufler: I'm not familiar with Worldmachine. Is that PC or Mac?
[13:35] Shaira Babii: maybe raw files with custom ads :-)
[13:35] Jack Linden: PC
[13:35] Bri Gufler: Ah cool! I will def have to check it out!
[13:35] Jack Linden: there is a free version. it's a procedural terrain engine, really excellent
[13:35] Jack Linden: once you're past the slightly whacky interface you can make some wonderful terrain
[13:36] Bri Gufler: Do you have a URL for it? Im trying to google it but coming up with lots of noise in the results.
[13:36] Jack Linden: http://www.world-machine.com/about.html
[13:36] Bri Gufler: Thanks :)
[13:37] Klaatu Congrejo: Yes Jack. There are still some adfrmers around using these extortionate methods. In the middle one of my regions theres a bunch of them on sale for $L5000 + for just 16m blocks! I refuse to pay that just to get a clear block of land in my region!
[13:38] You: freshly released regions got cut on strategic positions as well..
[13:38] Bri Gufler: Oh this looks neat. World Machine looks like it could eat up lots of play time :)
[13:38] Jack Linden: klaatu: are there ads on there?
[13:39] Klaatu Congrejo: On a couple of them yes. But some of them are just vacant blocks.
[13:40] Talarus Luan: Jack, let me ask you a question. You can feel free to answer it personally, and I promise I won't take it as LL's stance. Do you find it a legitimate business model to cut small plots from large ones specifically to hike the price and do everything possible, within the present rules, to induce people to pay that price?
[13:40] Jack Linden: have you ARed them?
[13:41] You: we ar them each day on several places
[13:41] Klaatu Congrejo: Yes, got no response. Weeks ago. Ard a couple of them twice or 3 times.
[13:41] Klaatu Congrejo: Only one of them got removed, his floating boxes were an eyesore.
[13:42] Talarus Luan: ..including doing things ike covering donut holes with prims so people won't see them.
[13:42] Jack Linden: Talarus: the ad farming issue is very complex. we have to balance the rights of the landowner (who is paying us) with the rights of other residents and with the quality of our product (the mainland)
[13:42] Jack Linden: it's very hard to make policies around subjectivity
[13:42] Shaira Babii: they have even networked ads system, sending ads in 750+ regoins
[13:42] Bino Arbuckle: Is there a definition of landcutter somewhere? Adfarmer I am fairly familiar with, but I think my understanding of landcutters is incorrect
[13:42] Nenad Maertens: Hi all
[13:42] Sandor Balczo: Hi everyone
[13:42] Jack Linden: genuine advertising is allowed. we may offer non-commercial zoning, but still.. genuine adverts are not against our rules
[13:43] Jack Linden: but that leaves a big grey area
[13:43] You: there is a solution for sure cause this really must end .. even when some put them parcel no longer for sale they still try to sell it in IM for high rates
[13:43] Talarus Luan: Well, you also have to balance the enjoyment of a parasite-free experience in SL versus the profit motives of said landowners, too. :)
[13:43] Jack Linden: Timo: if that is the case, and that person ARs it, we will take action
[13:44] Talarus Luan: I would also expect a little more proactive response, especially in cases where the leech is harassing the neighboring landowner.
[13:44] Talarus Luan: In many cases, this is just not happening.
[13:44] Jack Linden: are they filing abuse reports?
[13:45] Talarus Luan: yes, and even giving the head of the Governance Team the documentation on request after meeting with them at their office hours.
[13:45] You: Jack i got over 200 plots of normal land .. i volunteer 6 hours a day at least helping people out recovering land .. giving them info about extortionist and stealing land bots .. i ar that particular group of cutters on daily basis but i still see them active
[13:45] Sandor Balczo: thnak you shaira for the chairs
[13:45] Jack Linden: okay, well by all means drop me the info, i'm happy to look at it
[13:45] Nenad Maertens: yes thanks
[13:45] Jack Linden: yes sorry, I need more seating.
[13:46] Sandor Balczo: we can rez chairs here and it is convenient
[13:46] You: i know what happens on the grid
[13:46] Sandor Balczo: thanks
[13:46] Talarus Luan: In my case, it is too late, as the jerk has since transferred the land to his partner in crime, who has prompty put up 50m tall ad obelisks in its place
[13:47] Klaatu Congrejo: I got a neighbour who planted Linden trees next to dtower but the adfarmer ARd him and got the trees removed because they were 'swaying' across the adtower. How can LL justify that, It's LL wind making the trees sway!!
[13:47] Shaira Babii: :-)
[13:47] Jack Linden: it may wel be an issue of resourcing. the governance team is recruiting very rapidly at the moment. i expect to double the size of that time by the end of Q3
[13:48] Jack Linden: sadly recruiting takes time. :-(
[13:48] Talarus Luan: These people are skirting the rules, especially attacking us, because they know we are spearheading the efforts to fight them.
[13:49] Talarus Luan: Which is now leading to us going to war with them over it.
[13:49] You: cant llc publish some info on the offical website to warn new residents against extortion, land cutters, and no refunding landbots ?
[13:49] Sandor Balczo: Are we asking questions in a particular order of intervention?
[13:49] Jack Linden: again talarus, give me clear examples of harassment and we will deal with that, it's a clear violation of our ToS
[13:50] Jack Linden: Sandor.. not really.. more of a random conversation really. feel free to dive in!
[13:50] Sandor Balczo: OK, i am a long time visitor of Boardman, virtually since my rez date last year May 30
[13:50] Sabina Stenvaag: i wnna know how pricey you think 512 lots on the baycity sims might run
[13:50] Jack Linden: Timo: it's hard to define where land cutting exists rather than genuine land management. they can look totally identical
[13:50] Sandor Balczo: and I have gotten rid of a lot of litter through dialogues with residents and owners
[13:51] Talarus Luan: Okies. I will be glad to forward you everything I have on it, and copy you on any more AR tickets from now on. :)
[13:51] Jack Linden: great sandor! boardman is a great place
[13:51] Talarus Luan: Jack: We know the tactics, and they are NOT that hard to discern
[13:51] Sandor Balczo: and i have the feeling that now the situation is getting bad because there has been a littering of the area for a few weeks and in spite of my contacting the landowners and abuse reporting the litter, in the form of flash lights, is still there
[13:51] Jack Linden: do you have a tight defintion that you think covers abusers but not genuine use?
[13:52] Jack Linden: Sandor: I will take a look at boardman later today
[13:52] Sandor Balczo: i will continue reporting but my question is: could governor linden intervene in particular instances even on lands that are not his, when it is clear the owners do not care any longer, and how can i contact him?
[13:52] You: if you can make time for us we can show you all tactics
[13:52] Talarus Luan: Someone cuts a donut hole in a 512, sets the 512 for sale, minus the hole. Covers hole up with prims so people buying won't see it. People buy it. Then put up adtowers or other obnoxiousness, or then put the hole up for sale for $5000
[13:53] Nenad Maertens: I own land in Qinsa (mainland) but it's without any covenants and thw construction is realy wild and rampant, so I'm looking to selling that and buying land in Bay City instead. Any idea on when will that be possible?
[13:53] Jack Linden: Sandor.. re. boardman.. best to let me know via IM or email
[13:53] Talarus Luan: There's threads in the forums right now that did just that
[13:53] Klaatu Congrejo: Isn'textortianate prcing a form of abuse though?
[13:53] You: proves names places groups alts .. we represent nearly 400 land owners only from our groups not to mention the normal residents who are behind us
[13:53] Jack Linden: Nenad.. I expect Bay City to be auctioned early next week
[13:53] Talarus Luan: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=258898
[13:54] Jack Linden: Klaatu.. no not on its own
[13:54] Nenad Maertens: ok, thanks
[13:54] Jack Linden: we have a relatively open market which is important for an economy
[13:54] Talarus Luan: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=258514
[13:54] Jack Linden: if person X wants to sell high, they can
[13:54] Sandor Balczo: thank you jack, Boardman is too nice to be wasted :)
[13:55] Nenad Maertens: will there be an announcement of the exact time when the auction starts?
[13:55] Sandor Balczo: and Bay city is great by the way, which leads me to another question when you are ready.
[13:55] Jack Linden: we will blog before the parcels start to go onto the auction page
[13:55] Jack Linden: there are 12 regions in all
[13:55] Klaatu Congrejo: But no-one buys hih. Its onl set at high price to keep it from others who want to join their land.
[13:56] Jack Linden: we may put quite a lot on at once, to try to give as many people as possible a chance at getting one
[13:56] Able Whitman: do you know how many parcels in all will be auctioned in Bay City?
[13:56] Talarus Luan: I don't have a problem with people who own functional land asking a ridiculous price. Their *big* functional lot can stay at that price forever. However, someone who has clearly gone out of their way to make a *small* *useless* *nonfunctional* plot and place it as a thorn in the side of their neighbors for the express purpose of extorting money I *DO* have a problem with.
[13:56] Klaatu Congrejo: That is abusive pricing surely?
[13:56] Jack Linden: no able not exactly, but there are quite a lot
[13:57] Shaira Babii: it kill the fun for them who try to make a nice home
[13:57] Talarus Luan: It doesn't have to have ads on it. It doesn't have to have banlines. The fact that there is a HOLE in MY land, surrrounded by HUNDREDS of square meters of MY land, and the person takes great glee in asking L$2000-L$12000 or more for it, because they know it is a thorn in my side.
[13:57] Jack Linden: Talarusm beleiev me I do empathise, i'm a resident too and I have a huge ad board near my home, but guessing at someones intention is not the same as knowing it and being able to legislate for it
[13:57] Talarus Luan: They have no other use for it, other than to extort money out of ME
[13:58] Jack Linden: a person has a right to use their land as they wish, within the limits of the ToS of course
[13:58] Talarus Luan: Well, that is why there are a number of proposals to fix the problem, which we have mentioned earlier. ANY ONE of them is better than this situation which is going to lead to a really nasty little war on the mainland.
[13:58] You: and what if the intentions are clear jack instead of guessing ?
[13:59] Talarus Luan: YOu can empathize, but the problem doesn't need empathy or sympathy; it needs action.
[13:59] You: there are people in rl who like to spoil other ppls pleasure so it isnt strange when people like that are active in sl as well
[13:59] Jack Linden: i'm not suggesting we won't go further on land abuse, but it;s not as simple as us reacting when we think we see someone being unfair. we have to create policies around very clear guidelines than anyone, even a non english speaker, can understand
[13:59] Talarus Luan: We're aware of that, and there are proposals which do just that.
[14:00] Talarus Luan: Make the land trade in small plots unattractive to extortionists.
[14:00] Jack Linden: jack@lindenlab.com. send them to me Talarus, I will happily review them and take the ideas into the discussions we have on this
[14:00] Talarus Luan: Things like minimum plot size ownership or tier payment in any region set at some size, like 512
[14:00] Shaira Babii: yes
[14:01] Sandor Balczo: I have two questions regarding bay city
[14:01] Jack Linden: we have a huge number of genuinely owned small parcels. we can't outlaw those. it would simply move the abuse to larger parcels anyway.
[14:01] Jack Linden: parcel size is not the issue
[14:01] Klaatu Congrejo: The war is already happening , we see it everyday from ppll who are frustrated by intrusive adfarms.
[14:01] Sandor Balczo: first i would like to know if there weill be a minimum auction price and an idea of it
[14:02] Shaira Babii: I was very near to quit thanks to them
[14:02] Jack Linden: there will sandor, it'll be the usual L$ rate of around L$4 per meter
[14:02] Klaatu Congrejo: 512 or 256 should be minimum size allowed for sale surely? That would minimise this prob at ,east.
[14:02] Talarus Luan: I don't find larger parcels set to ridiculously high prices abusive, because they are not in the middle of my land. They are not profitable to extortionists, either, because they are then forced to compete with other legitimate landsellers.
[14:03] Talarus Luan: When tier starts to hurt when parcels don't sell, the market corrects itself.
[14:03] Sandor Balczo: Thanks and second, I was told when I reported a problem of a script or two to support that this kind of problems is managed by the DPW
[14:03] Sandor Balczo: i was wondering if in the future there would be a possibility for residents to be allowed to be estate managers for Bay city public areas
[14:04] Jack Linden: yes, the DPW team handles the content on the Bay City regions
[14:04] Sandor Balczo: or will we have to report to the DPW all the time there is a problem in a public area?
[14:04] Jack Linden: Bay City is mainland, so the estate managers have to be Linden staff. we will allow the local residents to help where we can of course, but not at estate level
[14:05] Sandor Balczo: very well, i am an estate manager somewhere else and i will be glad to offer help :)
[14:05] Jack Linden: guys, i have to run to my next meeting.
[14:05] Sabina Stenvaag: thanks for the chat!
[14:05] Jack Linden: thank you all as usual for taking the time
[14:05] Bri Gufler: Jack thanks for having us here today.
[14:05] Shaira Babii: thanks
[14:05] You: jack thx again for your time !
[14:05] Bri Gufler: This was my first time attending one of your meetings and it was very informative!
[14:05] Able Whitman: Thanks veyr much, Jack
[14:05] Jack Linden: thanks!
[14:05] Bri Gufler: Take care everyone. Bye
[14:06] Jack Linden waves